When I read Wesner Moise's post on Asperger's Syndrome, I wasn't surprised. Many of the best software developers I've known share some of the traits associated with Asperger's Syndrome:
I often joke that you have to be a little obsessive-compulsive to be a good developer. Software development ..
.. just like Asperger's.
This isn't a new idea; there's a classic Wired article on the disturbing connection between programming and asperger's syndrome:
It's a familiar joke in the industry that many of the hardcore programmers in IT strongholds like Intel, Adobe, and Silicon Graphics - coming to work early, leaving late, sucking down Big Gulps in their cubicles while they code for hours - are residing somewhere in Asperger's domain. Kathryn Stewart, director of the Orion Academy, a high school for high-functioning kids in Moraga, California, calls Asperger's syndrome "the engineers' disorder." Bill Gates is regularly diagnosed in the press: His single-minded focus on technical minutiae, rocking motions, and flat tone of voice are all suggestive of an adult with some trace of the disorder. Dov's father told me that his friends in the Valley say many of their coworkers "could be diagnosed with ODD - they're odd." In Microserfs, novelist Douglas Coupland observes, "I think all tech people are slightly autistic."Though no one has tried to convince the Valley's best and brightest to sign up for batteries of tests, the culture of the area has subtly evolved to meet the social needs of adults in high-functioning regions of the spectrum. In the geek warrens of engineering and R&D, social graces are beside the point. You can be as off-the-wall as you want to be, but if your code is bulletproof, no one's going to point out that you've been wearing the same shirt for two weeks. Autistic people have a hard time multitasking - particularly when one of the channels is face-to-face communication. Replacing the hubbub of the traditional office with a screen and an email address inserts a controllable interface between a programmer and the chaos of everyday life. Flattened workplace hierarchies are more comfortable for those who find it hard to read social cues. A WYSIWYG world, where respect and rewards are based strictly on merit, is an Asperger's dream.
There's a documented genetic component to this spectrum of developmental disorders, which has unfortunate implications for areas where software engineers congregate:
High tech hot spots like the Valley, and Route 128 outside of Boston, are a curious oxymoron: They're fraternal associations of loners. In these places, if you're a geek living in the high-functioning regions of the spectrum, your chances of meeting someone who shares your perseverating obsession (think Linux or Star Trek) are greatly expanded. As more women enter the IT workplace, guys who might never have had a prayer of finding a kindred spirit suddenly discover that she's hacking Perl scripts in the next cubicle.One provocative hypothesis that might account for the rise of spectrum disorders in technically adept communities like Silicon Valley, some geneticists speculate, is an increase in assortative mating. Superficially, assortative mating is the blond gentleman who prefers blondes; the hyperverbal intellectual who meets her soul mate in the therapist's waiting room. There are additional pressures and incentives for autistic people to find companionship - if they wish to do so - with someone who is also on the spectrum. Grandin writes, "Marriages work out best when two people with autism marry or when a person marries a handicapped or eccentric spouse.... They are attracted because their intellects work on a similar wavelength."
At clinics and schools in the Valley, the observation that most parents of autistic kids are engineers and programmers who themselves display autistic behavior is not news. And it may not be news to other communities either. Last January, Microsoft became the first major US corporation to offer its employees insurance benefits to cover the cost of behavioral training for their autistic children. One Bay Area mother told me that when she was planning a move to Minnesota with her son, who has Asperger's syndrome, she asked the school district there if they could meet her son's needs. "They told me that the northwest quadrant of Rochester, where the IBMers congregate, has a large number of Asperger kids," she recalls. "It was recommended I move to that part of town."
But it's ultimately a question of degree; who decides what is functional, what is normal? Hans Asperger, the Austrian psychiatrist who first identified the condition, once wrote it seems that for success in science and art, a dash of autism is essential.
Face it, the vast, vast, vast majority of people are, well, average. If we were all dysfunctional, there'd be no human race.
I partially agree with this. Clearly computers and geek culture have become somewhat mainstream now, primarily because of the internet.
But that wasn't true in the 60's, 70's or 80's.. page through some of the articles in the Creative Computing archives (the top link) to see what I mean:
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000414.html
Jeff Atwood on January 16, 2006 1:12 AMcan name Doctors and Accountants as two professions that contain people even "weirder" than programmers.
Really? Do accountants go home and do a bunch of accounting for fun? Do doctors? Somehow I think that's unlikely, but many programmers do exactly this.
Example. For better or worse, I spend nearly every waking hour (almost literally) in front of a computer. I have a hard time imagining accountants going home and cracking open their accounting ledger and sliding on their green visor, you know, 'for fun'.
I think other professional fields *can* be asperger-y, but few as much as computer science.
Jeff Atwood on January 16, 2006 3:45 AMJeff,
Thanks for that link to Wesner's post, it's interesting stuff. I recently linked to an online "test" for autism which I found interesting due to the kind of questions that it asks and the results, at least for me, seemed quite plausible. I know several people who would score much more highly than I did and I'm sure that as one moves towards that end of the spectrum things get much more challenging, but I quite like where I am, even if it isn't quite "normal". Personally I wouldn't trade my focus and attention to detail for anything, least of all improved social skills ;)
Len Holgate on January 16, 2006 8:13 AMHaving been exposed to the academic world during graduate school and later, I think there are plenty of intelligent "weird and obsessive" people outside of software. Any profession where being eccentric isn't detrimental as long as you're highly skilled is fair game: academia, art, music, etc.
Bob on January 16, 2006 8:26 AM"I once had a manager that couldn't tell someone's mood if you had a display on your forehead that scrolled your mood on it. That gives him Asperger's?"
Well, yes, possibly, who knows. I don't follow your logic. Most people are normal, therefore everyone is normal?
Most of the coders I have worked with, including myself, have or do a lot of drugs. Perhaps, given that large quantities of illicit substances are consumed by the most educated folks and by their obviously affluent and highly educated children, perhaps one might be inclined to name ones affliction as a disorder, rather than the consequences of ones actions. This afford one less of a need for emotional response to emotionally charged stimuli, a reason foir ones eccentricity and cannot be so readily discerned by a pee-test ;p
LSDev on January 16, 2006 11:21 AMI have to show your post to my wife. I was trying to explain to her the other day how despite my outward appearance of being a totally hip normal sociable likable suave person, I still have certain obsessive compulsive tendencies. Especially when at the computer. ;)
Haacked on January 16, 2006 11:42 AMI'm just glad my disorder is socially acceptable.
mako on January 16, 2006 12:11 PM Particularly common interests are means of
transport (such as trains), computers, math
(particularly specific aspects, such as pi),
wikipedia, and dinosaurs.
Does anybody see a web site in there that looks out of place?
Joost on January 17, 2006 4:33 AMHeh, yeah, it [wikipedia] was removed.
a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asperger_syndromediff=35391920oldid=35386977"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asperger_syndromediff=35391920oldid=35386977/a
Joost on January 17, 2006 4:35 AMTo someone with Asperger Syndrome (AS), it's the rest of the world who are all slightly sick... "our way" seems so much more functional. You've all got this constant obsessing with social status and your position in various groups, inability to concentrate on one thing at at time, excessive show of emotion for the smallest things, and so on.
I am quite happy to have AS and wouldn't want to have it any other way.
Helen on January 17, 2006 11:51 AMI still don't follow you. Consider tallness. Most people are around average height. A few people are very short or very tall. Do these short and tall people not exist? Perhaps they are just deluding themselves about their height?
This is a subject I'll be writing on in some depth when I start my blog about mid-year.
The problem with this subject is that there are too many assumptions being made about people being abnormal based on arrogant assumption.
So called 'normal' people can be amazingly dysfunctional - incapable of holding interests other than those prescribed by society, holding that what you want to believe is more important than established facts, 'following the mob', idolising low achievers, undervaluing real accomplishments, being exclusively consumers with no contribution to society and, here's the clincher, *forcing social dysfunction on other people that they cannot relate to by refusing to soc-i-a-l-i-se with them and cruelly ostracising them for their entire childhood for no good reason other than they themselves are too immature to relate to them in any meaningful way*.
I think many people suspected of Asperger's syndrome are actually just intelligent enough to have independent and creative thought and who take an interest in the world around them.
I suspect Asperger's itself is, in this regard, something quite different to the popular image being put about.
That's me, baby! :-P
Andreas Brekken on January 20, 2006 5:04 AMIt is clear to me that computer programmers evolved with their profession. You do something long enough and you realize that it completely consumed you and you become part of your profession. People have to be carefull about what they do. They eventually become it, whether it is doctors, accountants, programmers, police officers, etc. after doing something long enough. Since programmers require being very specialized and focused on one thing only, it is sort of deviated their personalities. It is a mutution of a sort. People in africa develop immunity to molaria because they are sucepted to it where is if you expose an american to molaria, it will have a fatal consequnces. Therefore if you allow your personality to change because you are not carefull and part of it is fun to be so narrowly focused and completely consumed by the process of programming, the result is social deviation. It is like when you put a frog in a cold water and start boiling the pot of water, the frog will not notice the increase in termperature and will get boiled with water. Similarly programmers when start to code do not notice changes that are happening to them as a result of programming and do not bother changing because it is fun, it gives them a competative edge, makes them feel powerful and superior then other people in some respects and they do not want to give that up. The result, they boil and do not even notice it...
Julia on January 20, 2006 12:36 PMFace it, the vast, vast, vast majority of people are, well, average. If we were all dysfunctional, there'd be no human race.
I could argue that we're well on the way to not being here anymore, thanks in large part to a lot of people being pretty dysfunctional :P. "Average" and "dysfunctional" are not necessarily disjunct.
David on January 21, 2006 6:06 AMI converted the Wired Autism Quotient test to be automated - it calculates your score for you.
a href="http://www.MDLies.com/AQ"http://www.MDLies.com/AQ/a
I must be an Aspie if I went through the trouble of automating the test. :)
MDLies AQ Test on January 25, 2006 3:19 AMThis article is probably the best article I've ever read on AS. I've read a lot of them (I have hyperlexia), and this one doesn't use a lot of loaded words that make the disorder sound like a death sentence; it just tells it like it is, which I really appreciate.
Amanda on November 10, 2006 1:39 AMAn organisation exists for people with Asperger Syndrome who work in IT and software engineering. It based in Britain but is willing to work with people from any country. They also run a discussion forum.
http://www.aspergertechnical.org.uk
Asperger Technical on June 19, 2007 7:52 AMI made a mistake when I was young and thought engineering would be a cool thing to get into. After graduating and working in the field for almost a decade, I realized that I was wrong. And it's mainly because of the people you end up working with. Anyways I've been in software development for most of my career and I'd have to say that about 2 out of every 10 engineers or software engineers have aspergers. I wouldn't say that they lack the ability to socialize, but when they do socialize, they talk about things that are completely uninteresting, such as intense conversations about Tivo or their computer they have at home. They will come to work early, program intensely all day, and go home late. They rarely ever joke around or talk about anything off the subject of work. The work I do is completely downright boring, and I don't see how someone can maintain an intense focus on it all day long, yet alone for years. But these nerds do. And the managers love these nerds because they are like robots. I like people that are good at what they do, but they can joke around also and have outside interests that aren't computer related. All I have to say is that if you ever have to work around someone like these computer nerds, you get to the point where'd you'd really like to punch one of them in the face for being such nerds. Basically, since computer programming is about the only career next to being a copywriter where desireable traits to have would be autism or aspergers, these nerds always move ahead of you and get promoted ahead of you because they will always do a better job than you. So unfortunately, you end up with one of these nerds as a project lead that is absolutely a complete drag and extremely difficult to work with. They always end up not liking you because they cannot understand why you don't go home at the end of the day and play on your computer and write code all night like they do. And believe it or not, most of these types are always married too. But their wives are always disgusting. So take it from someone that has worked in this day and age in the world of software development. The people that are in this field are the types that got beat up in highschool and grade school a lot, and to tell ya the truth, a lot of them need to keep getting beat up.
IamSoOverMe on July 4, 2007 8:10 AMIamSoOverMe - okay, so you're a slacker that can't keep up with the rat race. Good luck with that.
RealityStrikes on October 10, 2007 3:22 AMRealityStrikes - In the world of engineering, it might be a rat race, but there is no cheese at the end. With the influx of H1B's, corporations have managed to dwindle every engineer's salary and ensure that there will be no rewards, even though the bar gets set higher every year. And I've told other people that aren't engineers that they should be concerned as well. Because the result is that a lot of engineers leave the field and end up taking jobs away from other people in other career fields which in turn creates a surpluss of workers and of course dwindles the salaries of all professions across the board. Not just engineering and computer programming.
IAmSoOverMe on November 18, 2007 4:17 AMArrr!
Ye should 'ave been a barrister, IAmSoOverMe!
Salty Sailor on November 18, 2007 4:27 AMBeing the spouse of an serious IT person that spends any free time with his programming manuals than with his family and a mother of a mildly autistic son, I can completely relate to the observations and confusion that faces the "other half" that cannot decipher anything about their spouse. Oddly enough, it was those Asperger's Characteristics that made my spouse very attractive. It also didn't help that the majority of the men on my side of the family are completely brain-dead and Neanderthals! That could have had something to do with it. Hmmmm........ it could make someone wonder.
Sara on December 9, 2007 2:01 AMIAmSoOverMe-
what you describe is classic economics- the law of wages and labor supply. What's interesting is EVERYONE knows this, but they pretend not to. THAT part of it is very interesting.
For instance, Bill Gates (and other Silicon Valley CEOs ) testified before Congress (under oath?) that he cannot find the engineers he needs and immigration should be unlimited for that reason. He knew what was doing, and so did every member of Congress. He wants to flood the labor market to drive down wages, increase workload, decrease benefits, increase profits and , well, get richer.
He knows that's what he's doing, the Congressmen listening to him all knew what he was saying, the newspapers know it, the trade journals and magazines know it, the think tanks and people who write editorials know it, the managers know it, and the economists know it. But everyone pretends they just don't see it. It's as if the fundamental laws of economics went suddenly AWOL . Now, that's interesting.
What this demonstrates is that entire - how can we describe them, call them segments? - of society, that is, all the entities above, independently recognize a situation in which they're called on to "play dumb" and they do it.
Apparently, they all see themselves on Gate's side of the "issue" (if you can call distorting the free market and subsidizing billionaire corporations at the expense of working Americans a "issue"). Furthermore, they are all ready to lie to the American public. The naturalness of their lying implies they consider lying to the American public to be a normal part of their function.
It's just collusion to an agreed-upon non-reality. The players all implicitly understand what's going on and know how to act. It's this society's rich and powerful people fostering a known and provable lie for the purpose of executing public policy which consolidates wealth and power into their hands while taking it out of the hands of the mass of ordinary people.
That, my friends, is called a ruling class. I hate the sound of those words as much as anyone, but what else can you call it? America is a corptocracy. Maybe it always has been. It certainly is now. But the interesting thing is to see all the ducks line up... that is really eye opening.
valleyprogrammer on February 6, 2008 6:25 AMSo let's say the "ruling class" does as you wish and blocks immigration. Doesn't that just make the ruling class bigger? Or do you not care because you are a part of it now?
America is great because of immigration. Just because my family has been here for generations doesn't mean I'm suddenly better than anyone else.
a on February 15, 2008 6:03 AMIAmSoOverMe: you're in the wrong job. It could happen to anyone: I happen to be not particularly interested in sports and cars, so I'm not a builder. Neither am I interested in golf, so I'm not an accountant.
valleyprogrammer: if you work for the kind of firm that thinks it can replace good, intelligent people with outsourced / offshore / cheap developers - you're working for the wrong people. This kind of management-by-the-numbers doesn't work for software development, which is (ironically enough) a people business.
richteabiscuit on February 17, 2008 1:35 AMa on February 15, 2008 06:03 AM wrote
"...Doesn't that just make the ruling class bigger?
and also wrote
"...I'm suddenly better than anyone else."
The answer to the first question goes like this.
For any system to work, it has to be maintained and regulated. Without that, it falls apart and ceases to be a functioning system.
If you have a valley that is created because you built a dam and you want water to go to new villages, you're not being very clever if you decide one day to blow up that dam and let the water goes wherever it wants and figure that's what nature wants, so let it happen.
If you want water to get to other villages, then you engineer that result and spread prosperity by maintaining that artificial and complicated system. That's what we should be doing, not blowing up the dam.
If any developed country let unlimited immigration happen, then the resultant onslaught of people would destroy that system. For some reason that simple and plain fact is a political hot potato that gets people really mad.
If you want to export prosperity to other nations, you have to engineer that result; destroying the prosperous nations is not going to achieve that end. Driving down wages through immigration is as old as the American railroads bringing over the Chinese because they were disposable, abusable and would work for nearly nothing. All that got us was the railroad robber barons and near-starvation for the rest of the people. We don't need to go there again.
The issue isn't should India and China and everyone else develop their own industries and be helped to do so? Because the answer to that is an emphatic yes. The issue is- should industries be permitted to import unlimited labor just to drive wages down? Does sucking those people out of China and India really help those countries? Let me tell you India doesn't permit unlimited immigration and neither does China and neither does Mexico. There'd be riots in the streets if those governments tried anything like that.
If you want to spread prosperity, then corporations have to be forced to be about something other than just profits. Corporations are just a social construct created by us to encourage a level economic activity which individuals couldn't undertake on their own. The rational for their existence is they serve the larger social good. They have ceased to do that, and have merely become a vehicle for wealth concentration into the hands of a small group of people and countries. That's the problem. Corporations don't care what sort of destruction they leave in their wake, they consider all that stuff to be a so called externality. They will do literally anything and say literally anything to just to make more money. They'll destroy he very earth we all live on and delude themselves into believing it's all for the larger good. That's the power of money. People who fit that description are called sociopaths. Societies and nations can't function for long when those kinds of entities control everything.
Some people think that a near-lawless, unregulated industry is the most efficient and the "free market" , by which they mean unregulated behavior by corporations, will spread prosperity the best.
We already know what happens when there is no regulation on industry and people, and employers are permitted to drive wages, through a constant surplus of labor, down towards zero- it's called 19th century England.
People, to keep from starving, will do literally anything just to live another day.
More recently, in the book Freakanomics, the author reveals that people will work in the highly dangerous illegal drug industry for about, five bucks an hour. Don't kid yourself that deregulation and a libertarian "free" economy will lead to prosperity for anyone but a few people at the top.
Or there's the example of Somolia...a nation currently without a government or any kind of regulation at all....
The answer to all this is that what makes the world livable is the complicated system of laws and regulations which requires attention and thoughtful application to individual circumstances. There is no substitute for dealing with reality in all it's vagarities and twists and turns and cause and effect relationships. You just have to develop that system, piece by piece, lesson by lesson. Society and it's system of laws is the most complicated creation we have. Smashing it apart in some radical way just because some small group of agitators figures that doing so will make them x billions of dollars is a spectactualry bad idea.
I am not against the immigration of people who will compete with me for my job. Some amount of that will result in a bigger pie for everyone, even if I get beaten out for that job. But at some point, it doesn't lead to more economic activity, it leads to less, then less wages, then less good working conditions, then economic destruction of the industry and people's desire to pursue it at all. That's just a basic reality. We have to find that point and set the immigration level to meet it. What that point is is an empirical question- not an ideological one and the answer to it is not "unlimited immigration" and you're not going to get any truth out of the corporations or the think tanks they fund.
Dragging down the living standards of first world nations does nothing to raise the standards of developing countries, it just lowers the bar for everyone. We want to encourage economic activity and reward work. Unlimited immigration does neither.
valleyprogrammer
vallyeprogrammer on February 19, 2008 11:28 AMIt's a little disheartening to hear Aspies being referred to as "these people", inferring that they are undesirables. Nerds, yes, awkward, yes, frustrating to deal with? Yes! But worth less than the average fully socially functional person? No way. "Different Planet" is right. They just think differently and I think it must be like being dropped on a planet where their particular brand of thought processes is not only unappreciated, but actually undesirable...unless of course your computer is broken.
My son has borderline AS, and although I have never been diagnosed with it, I think I'm probably borderline as well. As my husband says, I research the sh*t out of everything, I lose track of time when I'm coding up a website, am chronically disorganized and socially clueless at heart. I have learned to adapt and have gotten pretty good at "small talk" (although I have little use or patience for it) and I do maintain a good sense of humour. But folks that do have Asperger's Syndrome are like that oven with the broken thermostat. More often than not, unless they stand over it diligently to keep an eye on it (very exhausting), you're going to end up with a pan of charcoal chip cookies. Same thing with socializing: unless Aspies monitor their every social move (am I talking too much? Oh no! They've stopped talking, search the memory banks for a stand-by quip of benign small talk to break the silence... I think they just told a joke, but it wasn't funny enough to laugh at...should I laugh anyway to be polite?) they end up burning their social cookies. This translates to unkind words, awkward moments, offended people, and in certain situations, bloody noses and fat lips on the playground. And why? Because their gauge is busted! It's not that they don't enjoy people, it's just that interacting with them is usually stressful and draining. And when you just move from one awkward social interaction to the next, you start to want to avoid the unpleasant feelings associated with it. Computers are nice. Computers are good. Computers don't judge you or make you feel stupid or undervalued because they are 100% predictable yet infinitely complex. So it doesn't surprise me that you find a higher percentage of AS in tech-related careers. My 11yr old son is an avid gamer and wants to be a game designer when he grows up. I suspect he's right on the money.
Erin on May 30, 2008 8:43 AMMy Aspie son at 3 (Diagnosed later)got kicked out of a day care after he disasembled the directors computer, to spite the fact that he put it back together, and it still worked. At 8 he took a computer that we had put in his room because it was old and the adults could not figure out how to make it work and programed it to display his digital pictures with software that he borrowed from his brother. He also desighned his own screen saver with pictures too. His school called suspecting that he had some how out smarted a computer baised test at school. All this with parents that have a hard time navigating the internet, and frequently have to have others come fix the computer. I think they might be on to something, or they better be with 1 in 150 children diagnosed with some form of Autism these kids will need jobs that they can be successfull at too.
Heidi on August 27, 2008 10:00 AMWow. This is the first time I've heard of Asperger's. I always knew that I shared some traits with the autistic people, but I never knew there was a specific name for it. I know many people who have some of these same traits, or quirks, and I find those people rather enjoyable and amusing. It just goes to show that it all depends on your point of view. I'm pretty sure that Cthulhu would find us repulsive for our lack of tentacles ;)
As for IAmSoOverMe, my Asperger's doesn't allow me to discern whether we're dealing with a troll or a genuine specimen of wrong career choice. But I do agree with the first thing he said:
I made a mistake when I was young and thought engineering would be a cool thing to get into.
Yes, you certainly made a mistake. Many young people make a mistake and choose a wrong career just because it's fashionable at that moment. That's what happens when you have no one to help you find out what you're good at and what you would really like. Sadly, most kids never have that sort of help, which is something the educational system should address. I bet they wouldn't have to dumb down exams if the kids were studying what they really liked ;)
Vojislav Stojkovic on September 5, 2008 2:41 AMOh great Jeff, now every loser is going to self-diagnose themselves with what is in fact a REAL, doctor diagnosed, crippling social disorder.
Most of you people don't have aspergers, you just are socially inept. If you never develop or practice social skills (much like programming), you tend to be really really bad at it.
Think about it, how many times a day do you get out of your comfort zone and try to speak to people? Or how many times do you think to yourself, Wow, I really need to develop my lingual skills more? Never? I thought as much.
This world is a social world. Deal with it or you will be trampled upon for promotions, etc.
Chris on November 17, 2008 1:06 AMI always find it interesting how predictable people are, and yet how unwilling they are to admit their predictability; it is becoming more and more clear as more psychological research is done that every single human being who has ever lived and ever will suffers from some form of disorder. How could it be otherwise ? Think of what normal is; is sitting at an assembly line doing the same thing 1,000 times a day every day until you die normal or compulsive ? Is managing other people's behavior and manipulating them to meet your goals normal or controlling ? Is consistently underachieving in life on a professional level, because your only concern is being popular with your buddies; is this normal or a sign of immaturity ? (this more often than not is a trait of people who desperately want to consider themselves 'normal').
If 'normal' were in fact the norm, we would have likely never even developed written language; think of how abnormal that must have seemed at the time, to codify our sounds into symbols; the person who invented this was likely very odd (they would have also likely been programmers in modern times). Everyone has a disorder, that disorder provides them certain strengths to make up for their weaknesses, thus everyone can basically be categorized based upon the disorder they suffer from. If it were not for disorders, there would be no specialization, and without specialization, in a world of averages, we would be flinging dung at each other and hunting with rocks because nobody would ever do anything strange or unpredictable. There would be no inventors, no philosophers, no artists, no assembly line workers, no engineers or builders. An inability to socialise with others will lead one to pursue technical goals, an inability to understand even basic physics may lead one to pursue goals relating to social order, an inability to do either will often lead to abstract thinking. Our strengths are really just a sanctuary from our weaknesses, life is a test of trial and error.
This of course will be met by open hostility by people who have an inherent need to fit in, and thus to label themselves normal. Don't worry, your disguise works quite well, and your sadistic tendencies towards people who you secretly admire should help alleviate some of your confusion as to where you fit into the world (as fitting in will be the primary preoccupation of your life).
Well! I just surfed here from Google on "Bill Gates Aspeger", and it's a fascinating and heartening discussion, as my son was (last week) diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. I'm thinking, based on this article and others like it, of steering my son toward a career in software or engineering...
Phil Sevetson on February 6, 2010 9:46 PMabout an an Aspergers math genius outcast.watch it if you can! Best to all-
http://whoweare.ca/blog/2010/06/robert-gene/
As for the online tests and traits - be careful as I would never imagine how one could see himself fulfilling the criteria if not experiencing myself. One could be afraid of having almost any illness and syndrom when first reading symptoms!
It's like the "healthy man entering a library and coming out as the sickest person in recorded history"...
So I would stress 1st Jeff's comment that most people are (although unique) normal. Also ... all these are not black&white criteria and each person has a certain level in any of them ... not everyone can be a class entertainer; one person can have many interests but not much into any of them, another is more focused, it's normal, we're not copies.
I thought about explicitly acknowledging the possible counter-arguments here, but finally decided to keep this solely positive
Have a nice day and don't take anything (not even computers or job) too seriously!
NoxArt on December 30, 2010 3:39 PMAs an author who writes books on Asperger's syndrome, the world of programming, and IT in general is often a great place for someone with Asperger's or high functioning autism to hang out. Many programmers need solitude and quite and work alone. These are ideal conditions for someone with Asperger's who often has poor social skills and may have sensitivities to light, noise etc. A bustling, busy office is not a good environment for a very structured person with Asperger's syndrome.
You can sign up for a free Asperger's Syndrome newsletter on the site, http://www.AspergersSociety.org which provides a lot of help for those adults with Asperger's seeing help with jobs, work environments, relationships, etc. Hope this helps.
It's very important to remember that Asperger's is not merely a term for someone who is "odd," "eccentric," or "socially awkward." This is a serious and very real medical condition that does not currently have an identified biomarker that would allow for blood testing, etc. In the meantime, we need to provide readers with accurate and complete information. Current diagnosis requires a match with a set of criteria, not merely one characteristic. There are many professionals out there who can pretty accurately diagnose someone through several sessions of in-person assessment and an interview with family members. The following are some of the things that one might look for in diagnosing AS, keeping in mind that the more of these one finds, and the more they interfere with someone's daily function, the more severely they would score on the spectrum (these are certainly not all true of all AS sufferers, but are a good guideline):
* difficulty reading and interpreting others' emotions
* lack of "theory of mind" (inability to comprehend another's emotions as separate from their own)
* difficulty expressing a variety of emotions
* OCD-like behavior, including repetition, checking, ticks, and obsession over one or a few areas which may dominate career, free-time, and social exchange
* strong aversion to change, break in routine
* ADHD-like behavior (difficulty with concentration in the face of outside stimuli)
* hyper sensitivity to stimuli (noise, lights, tastes, touch, etc.)
* Tendency towards exceptionally loud or soft speech without evidence of hearing damage
* lack of intonation, monotone, or robotic-sounding speech
* lack of facial expression corresponding to mood or speech
* difficulty maintaining close intimate relationships, lack of friends in childhood or adulthood, history of bullying and/or being bullied, difficulty in maintaining employment for social or hypersensitivity reasons
* literal interpretation of expressions
* tendency toward overload of anxiety, leading to angry and sometimes violent outbursts or a total emotional shut-down involving walking away or avoiding confrontation
* evidence of blood relations with similar characteristics
* physical awkwardness, clumsiness, lack of accurate sense of spatial relation in environment, personal space
*lack of ability to adjust to societal norms for behavior, dress, speech (including no ability to moderate self for different social surroundings: i.e. work, friends, school, romantic partner, formal, informal)
* poor ability to adapt to changes in routine (difficulty in response to emergencies, memory for birthdays or special events, difficulty in adapting to unexpected situations, managing stress with respect to change)
* extreme directness and succinctness
* avoidance of social situations due to stress of conforming, bullying
* often accompanied by depression, panic attacks, generalized anxiety, gastrointestinal disorders, eating disorders
* tendency toward analytical, dispassionate thinking
* "book smart" but not "street smart"
* tendency towards honesty to a fault, innocent personality which may lead to being taken advantage of (attempts to lie or hide truths may be very obvious)
Any person can have one or several of these traits, and that by no means indicates that they have AS. However, when one considers the life of a person with all or many of these characteristics at the same time, it is easy to see how completely debilitating and excruciating AS can be. On the other hand, under the right conditions AS can be a huge asset to both career and managing crisis situations. In some cases this can even be helpful in relationships with others who may be prone to illness or emotional drama, where dispassionate thinking and ordered speech can be helpful. Some AS characteristics are very attractive to prospective partners, who see them as creating stability and predictability, and providing an intellectual partner who is not as likely to cheat or lie. The tendency towards uncontrollable anxiety, lack of empathy, and lack of spatial sense however, can also lead to an abusive and seemingly unpredictable environment once the partner has moved in. AS is not purely bad or purely good - it is simply a different way of being that is managed best when everyone involved is educated. Many people with AS lead fulfilling and happy lives, just like persons with any other medical disorder. It is the interaction with so-called NT (neuro-typical) people that can cause problems on both sides, particularly when neither side is aware of why differences in perception exist.
It is not by any means true that AS is only found in traditional math or science-related fields, but certainly these fields tend to support analytical thinking in an individualized environment with less direct social contact. Remember, there is no stereotype that is true of all AS people, and it is considered a spectrum disorder because some people are highly functional while some are highly impaired. It does not help families for us to contribute to the misinformation out there. As a side note, the difficulties that persons with AS may suffer with authority figures including the law are not yet much spoken of. It can be very hard for people with AS to relate to authority figures in an appropriate way without seeming disrespectful or condescending. They may interpret rules or the law far too literally, leading to infractions. Because of their seeming coldness and calculation, they may appear to have no conscience or to have committed a wrong intentionally, making it difficult to garner sympathy and understanding from judge, jury, boss, or peers. More education of these difficulties is important in the mainstream, particularly among companies and regions where AS and autism are more common.
It may be helpful to know that some medications and behavioral therapies (including couples techniques) have proven effective for some people with AS to help them adapt to their environment and manage medical issues, although there is no "cure," and they may not work for everybody. There is much to be learned in this area, but the more we talk about it openly, the better. I myself do not write in as an expert, but as an NT woman married to man with AS (who yes, is a computer programmer). I took the time out because I am just tired of reading so many ill-informed blogs while I research for our own family.
Indigo Rain on May 24, 2011 11:26 AMThe comments to this entry are closed.
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