A Blog Without Comments Is Not a Blog

April 25, 2006

James Bach responded to my recent post, Are You Following the Instructions on the Paint Can?, with Studying Jeff Atwood's Paint Can. I didn't realize how many assumptions I made in that post until I read Mr. Bach's pointed response. The most amusing assumption I made-- and I had no idea I was doing this-- was that I ran a painting business in college! The paint can instructions make sense to me because of that prior experience. Pity the would-be handyman who has never painted anything before and has only a few paragraphs of text on the back of a can to refer to.

But I'll reserve a complete response to Mr. Bach for later. My immediate frustration is that James has comments disabled on his blog, so I can't form a public reply to James without creating a post on my own blog.

I firmly maintain that a blog without comments enabled is not a blog. It's more like a church pulpit. You preach the word, and the audience passively receives your evangelical message. Straight from God's lips to their ears. When the sermon is over, the audience shuffles out of the church, inspired for another week. And there's definitely no question and answer period afterward.

the church pulpit

Of course, I'm exaggerating for comedic effect. Maybe a blog with comments disabled is more analogous to a newspaper editorial. But even with a newspaper editorial, readers can make public comments by sending a letter to the editor, which may be published in a later edition of the paper.

However we slice it, with comments disabled the reader's hands are tied. If readers want to have a public dialog with you, then your readers must have blogs of their own. This strikes me as awfully elitist.

It's unreasonable to expect people that disagree with the tenets of your religion to build a church and start their own religion.

It's unreasonable to expect people that disagree with your newspaper editorial to buy a printing press and start their own newspaper.

And it's unreasonable to expect people to start their own blogs to make a public reply to your post.

Yes, the barriers to entry for blogging are radically lower, but not everyone has the time or inclination to become a full-bore blogger. Are you really comfortable saying, in effect, unless you have a blog I am not interested in what you have to say? Because I'm not.

That said, I realize that comments aren't appropriate for every blog in the world:

Blogs are susceptible to the same problems as social software sites (as well as having to deal with comment spamming scum). The more popular the blog, the bigger the problem. Just ask Heather or Jason.

Most blogs allow comments. There's no doubt about it; having comments enabled is likely to increase the popularity of your blog.

But that, in and of itself, is not a good justification. It assumes that popularity is desirable. The truth is that, when it comes to personal publishing, it's not the amount of people who visit that count, it's who those people are why they're visiting that's important.

Comments are a shortcut to a Pyrrhic victory of popularity at the cost of having your pages cluttered with pointless remarks (by pointless, I don't just mean the negative stuff: "me too!" and "great post!" achieve as little as "you suck!"). If popularity is your aim, it's better in the long run to claw your way towards that goal on the strength of your writing or design skills.

But comments can add value. They are particularly useful on sites that have a narrow, focused scope. The focused nature of the subject matter ensures that visitors share a common interest -- otherwise, they wouldn't be there. The more general a site's focus, the less chance there is of it receiving quality comments. A site that covers everything from politics (Republican vs. Democrat) to computing (Mac vs. PC) is going to be flame-war central.

Jeremy's observation about the effect of topic on comments is interesting. Again, something I wouldn't have anticipated based on my experience with a very focused blog.

However, to deny public conversation by disabling comments right out of the gate --based on the presumption that the comments will be of low quality -- is, again, awfully elitist. Have some respect for your audience. Enable comments and experiment before making the assumption that 90 percent of the comments will be crap! Personally, I've found that the comments can be the best, most informative part of a blog. Anyone who has visited Amazon and skipped directly to the user reviews will know exactly what I'm talking about.

Some people refuse to enable comments because they don't want to deal with the spam problem. I can appreciate this concern, but a simple CAPTCHA is extremely effective at blocking machine spam. And a simple daily browse of your comments will catch those rare manually entered spam comments. Why in the world would you enable comments if you're not planning to read them at some point?

I am sympathetic to issues of scale. Comments don't scale worth a damn. If you have thousands of readers and hundreds of comments for every post, you should disable comments and switch to forums, probably moderated forums at that. But the number of bloggers who have that level of readership is so small as to be practically nil. And when you get there, believe me, you'll know. Until then, you should enable comments.

The more I think about this, the more I keep coming back to my original position: a blog without comments enabled is not a blog. I'm not sure what it is, exactly, but it definitely isn't a blog.

Comments?

Posted by Jeff Atwood
67 Comments

"His latest post, in response to this one, cites that he doesn't like spam, yet proceeds to give out his, his wife's, and his Mobile number, among other information. Very odd indeed..."

He probably feels that email anti-spam tech is significantly more advanced than blog measures (although they're only a generation behind these days), especally if his email travels through a corporate anti-spam engine, like a barracuda. Or maybe he just wants a more personal level of interaction, or a higher bar of entry. Who knows, it's his blog and his decision.

On the other hand, his wife might hurt him if she starts getting all his personal mail. :D

I find that comments are as much a way for your readers to interact with each other as with you, and not everyone wants to babysit a mini-forum.

"I concur with Jeff. A blog w/o commenting is a mere website."

A topical column or newsletter would be more precise.

"Also, commenting if not enough. Blogs should allow anonymous comments."

So make up a pseudonym, or a common name, and if you're really paranoid, change it everytime. After all, I presume you're already using proxies and a random user-agent if you care about anonymity.

Foxyshadis on April 27, 2006 2:08 AM

Jeff, I agree with you. Although I don't know (or care) if a blog without comments is still a blog, it strikes me as awfully elitist. And I'd like to add something more: imagine the frustration if you want to reply something to one of those bloggers, make a great post on your blog replying to them, correcting the error of their ways and so on... and all you get is ignored, because the man doesn't read your blog, doesn't know of your existence.

Is a harsh life for us KEWL KIDS (but not famous) out there... =)

Carlos M Perez on April 27, 2006 2:21 AM

I blog and I have a love hate relationship with the comment feature. Commenting can lead to unintended flame wars, and is guaranteed to require investing time in anti-comment spam, which has been getting better only slowly. Many of the early anti-comment spam techniques were quickly hacked. Not everyone has enough time to keep their blog entries updated, let alone delete a hundred poker spam entries every day or install the blog patch of the month. Admitedly this is a developer website, but not all developers want to spend their time specificly in web development.

Only when the blog technology is effortless can we assert a lack of blog commenting means the blogger is unwilling to take what he is dishing out.

Matthew Martin on April 27, 2006 2:25 AM

sending an email to the author of the blog - isn't this more or less equivalent to a letter of the editor, where it may or may not be selected for publication?

In theory. But aping the old conventions of print media isn't what makes blogs interesting, either.

I think it's unreasonable for you to expect a publisher like this to do anything in particular. If you don't like their words/product/whatever, stay away.

Of course-- and I probably shouldn't even have to say this-- people are free to run their own websites/blogs as they see fit. But I get the highest value from blogs where either A) the author's writing is so outstanding that the lack of comments isn't material (eg, Paul Graham, Joel Spolsky, etc) -or- B) a combination of good writing and good comments.

Preachers are almost always available in the narthex (lobby) right after the sermon. People with an opinion or question will often chat with him (or her) within minutes of their "initial post".

Yes, but that's not a *public* dialog which can engender discussion amongst all the participants; it's analogous to emailing the author.

you're arguing the definition of the word "blog"

Possibly. I have strong feelings about what makes blogs worthwhile, and what makes blogs unique. And comments play a very important role in that.

Blogs should allow anonymous comments

It's a question of how high you want the barrier to entry to be. Although I agree with you, I don't think registering is setting the barrier TOO high, and it's certainly preferable to no comments at all!

Jeff Atwood on April 27, 2006 3:02 AM

I'm really glad he doesn't have comments, as if you'd replied there I'd have completely missed the discussion.

A blog with comments has a different social dynamic from one without. But I think to say that one's a blog and one's not is unhelpful. The term 'blog' covers such a broad range these days that your point here comes across as a bizarrely arbitrary rant!

Moreover, blog comments are hugely flawed as interaction mechanisms go. They're inconsistently and poorly integrated into most RSS readers. Comments also tend to suffer from exactly the same "write only" problem that you accuse us comment-free bloggers of - a lot of comments will be hit and run precisely because blog comments are such a poorly conceived social software construct.

One of the main reasons I don't have comments on my blog is I think they're such a disaster as social software goes. I want to do something better. For me, given the choice between something as bad as blog comments and nothing, nothing is clearly the better option.

And I love the irony of how your post is such an eloquent example of why you really don't need comments to be able to reply to a blog...

(And BTW, I think your religion/newspaper/blog argument is rather obtuse, and well below your usual quality of writing. It's easy and free to set up a blog. I know loads of non-techies who have done it. I don't know anyone who has successfully started their own newspaper or religion.)

Ian Griffiths on April 27, 2006 3:36 AM

I also agree with Jeff. I also have to warn Jeff that the online arguments / discussions I've witnessed with James over the years are strange at best, and confusing at worst. Hopefully in this case, you two can come to a clear conclusion.

Alan on April 27, 2006 3:44 AM

Try this, a blog without comments OR TRACKBACKS enabled is just a website with a datetime stamp at the bottom. Comments I can see, but not allowing trackbacks or showing referrers just means you're an isolationist.

"a very simple captcha probably isn't the best. for instance one that uses the word "orange" all the time :)"

You'd be surprised at how effective a single word is at being a magic anti-spam word. It's like locking your screen door in a bad neighborhood where everyone else leaves their door unlocked. If the barrier to spamming someone elses blog is much lower, they'll always go for that first.

See, my first thought when reading James response to what will forever-after be known as the "paint can post" was in response to this statement he made.

"My colleague Michael Bolton..."

Is that really his name? "How can we write software when we can't be friends? How can we de-bug when the fighting never ends?"

[Jeff A:

I was curious what Scott was referencing here, so I looked it up: http://www.martylloyd.com/artist_m/michael_bolton_lyrics/how_can_we_be_lovers_lyrics.html

Which Michael Bolton song wouldja say is your favorite? ;)
]

Scott on April 27, 2006 3:53 AM

Just yesterday I received an email because the person couldn't navigate the TypeKey registration I turned on for comments on my TypePad site. I decided to remove that requirement and deal with comment spam as you described. Fortunately, TypePad has recently added a CAPTCHA option for comments.

How about people that leave annonymous comments or don't have a blog/website to link to? Is that akin to someone sticking their head into a room, stating their position and leaving without a trace?

In general, I agree with you. People can certainly choose to disable comments and I may even subscribe to their feed but a blog DOES imply a different level of interaction.

Alan Kleymeyer on April 27, 2006 4:04 AM

One of the main reasons I don't have comments on my blog is I think they're such a disaster as social software goes. I want to do something better. For me, given the choice between something as bad as blog comments and nothing, nothing is clearly the better option.

Nothing can't be better than something. (Ironically, James Bach himself wrote about this. "A comparison is offered between something and nothing. Who could prefer nothing? Nothing is a void.")

Half the stuff I find on the 'net is because of insightful comments like yours. Given the choice of nothing and Ian Griffiths, I choose Ian Griffiths.

But you're absolutely right that this is a weird discussion because it's so meta-meta on a couple different levels. ;)

It's easy and free to set up a blog

Ah yes, but actually *writing* one? Not so easy! At any rate, I think there's a huge difference between a formal blog entry on "your blog", and a paragraph or two written in the very same browser window that the article is in.

the online arguments / discussions I've witnessed with James over the years are strange at best, and confusing at worst

That's unfortunate, but this is hardly an argument-- I basically agree with everything James wrote. And my post has more to do with the meta-topic of blogging itself than the actual content, anyway.

Jeff Atwood on April 27, 2006 4:08 AM

"It's unreasonable to expect people that disagree with the tenets of your religion to build a church and start their own religion."
unreasonable maybe, but has been done many times

Eber Irigoyen on April 27, 2006 5:33 AM

Funnily enough, I was having the same discussion yesterday with a colleague of mine, and my exact words were 'a blog without comments isn't a blog, it's a website'.

For me, blogging is all about the conversation (which means that it's a lot about the comments, but also the emails and the phone calls and the face to face discussions).

Perhaps that's just for me though. I know when I'm blogging I'm not trying to speak from the pulpit. Mostly I'm trying to learn as much as I'm trying to share with others. Comments are integral to a blog like that.

If you're positioning yourself as an expert, then I can see how you'd be less likely to open yourself up to be challenged...

Meanwhile, on the spam front, I was also suffering from comment spam to the point that it was almost taking all the fun out of blogging. I've recently installed Akismet, and it's gold. Comment spam doesn't bother me at ALL anymore. If you're a Wordpress blogger, you should definitely check it out.

leisa.reichelt on April 27, 2006 6:05 AM

Jeff – I’m curious about why the ability to post or not to post comments on James' blog arise now? Have you ever read his blog before? Did you not know that he had comments disabled before his post? Did you have James’ email address before your post?

James must have evoked an emotion that was perceived by you to require a public defense - or else the entire discussion would be moot. Did you feel that James was attacking you in some way? I know I would if I came under a pointed analysis by him on something I wrote. I suppose another perspective I would take, after I calmed down, is that James was attempting to help clarify my position and make it stronger.

I’m curious to know what you gain by posting a response at the source as opposed to your own forum? Is it that defense was not allowed at the source that is really the problem? What would have happened if you could have posted at the source? What exactly would have been your response to James? You seem to be keeping prviate for a face to face meeting? Why not put it on your blog as well?

Posting at the source - Would it evoke an emotion of happiness or revenge when all the "KEWL KIDS" could point and say “Look what Jeff put on James’ blog”. Is it that you want James’ to recognize that you are offended by his post? I ask – because that you start out coming across as offended but then you state in your comments later on that “I basically agree with everything James wrote. And my post has more to do with the meta-topic of blogging itself than the actual content, anyway.” So you agree with James – why didn’t you say that at the beginning of your post? You must have known that you come across as extremely offended and upset in your first paragraph.

Back on the topic of blog comments - Is it possible that James could ignore your response if you post it on your blog instead? I doubt it – since he read your original post. Is it possible that if comments were enabled on James’ blog that he could delete your comment without reading it? Is James worried about your response or his he working on his own analytical skills? If these were the cases would they be an acceptable use of a blog in your elitist view of what blogging means? Why does James write a blog? Have you ever asked him? Would any of these make James an irresponsible blogger? What would it make him? Why do you care?

I think you took the appropriate approach by responding on your own blog – your point comes across loud and clear. Your point was to attempt to talk about blogging by using James’s post as an example for the “KEWL KIDS” – wasn’t it? Making this point would be understandable if you hadn’t just been the subject of a Bach Analysis/Teaching (BAT for short) and responding in a defensive manner under the guise of the meta-topic of blogging.

If you were to actually tell your blog readers your thoughts on the content and theory of James’ post your blogs comments could help furthre your argument that comments make blogs more worthwhile

Cheers,

Adam

“I don’t care if they believe me – I just want them to think” – Marshall McLuhan

Adam White on April 27, 2006 7:04 AM

Adam, you're going to break your question mark key. I don't know if I can answer all those questions, but I'll try.

I'm definitely not mad or upset; if anything, quite the opposite: I'm flattered that someone like James, who has a long history in the software industry, would care enough to write an entire blog entry based on something I wrote. That's high compliment, not a slam.

What motivated this post? It's very simple: after reading James' post, I wanted to leave a public comment on it. I couldn't. And that's frustrating, because IMMEDIATELY after reading something is when the desire and impulse to comment on what I've read is strongest. The longer I wait, the more I forget, and now I'll have to go back and re-read the entire thing again to formulate a response. It'll be a better, more thoughtful response, of course, but it takes longer.

That's it.

Trackbacks don't appear to be enabled on his site, either. So, if comments were enabled, I could post a comment with the URL to my response as well.

Jeff Atwood on April 27, 2006 7:58 AM

Comments are graffiti.

Sometimes graffiti is art, but most of the time it's unskilled and uninspired vandalism.

Anonymous Coward on April 27, 2006 12:12 PM

"And it's unreasonable to expect people to start their own blogs to make a public reply to your post."

I think it's unreasonable for you to expect a publisher like this to do anything in particular. If you don't like their words/product/whatever, stay away.

Granted, he was attacking something you said and you wanted to respond, but it just so happens that he doesn't invite a response in the form of a comment on his blog--you'll have to get creative.

Also, you're arguing the definition of the word "blog", which if I recall correctly is only a few years old.

[Insert high and mighty comment about freedom of speech and freedom of the press here.]

Brendan Kidwell on April 27, 2006 12:16 PM

I think you're overlooking the possibility of sending an email to the author of the blog - isn't this more or less equivalent to a letter of the editor, where it may or may not be selected for publication?

Nicole DesRosiers on April 27, 2006 12:38 PM

A blog without comments is simply a blog without comments.

You don't have to like it, but to then say it's not a blog is just moving the goalposts.

Jeremy "Proud owner of not-a-blog" Keith

Jeremy Keith on April 27, 2006 12:47 PM

I prefer to respond on my own blog...

-- James Bach

james bach on April 27, 2006 12:51 PM

I feel where your going with your argument, I really do but your blog is a reflection of who you are, and is an expression of your views alone.

Clearly your open minded and receptive to other ideas. Many people in the online community are a little more totalitarian.

Mark on April 27, 2006 1:00 PM

It seems like you haven't been to church in a while, at least not the Protestant type you picture/describe. Preachers are almost always available in the narthex (lobby) right after the sermon. People with an opinion or question will often chat with him (or her) within minutes of their "initial post". :)

Those with no questions or opinions just rush out to Old Country Buffet for some reason.

Steve Barron on April 27, 2006 1:07 PM

I agree.

James Bach's thinking is very odd... His latest post, in response to this one, cites that he doesn't like spam, yet proceeds to give out his, his wife's, and his Mobile number, among other information. Very odd indeed...

Brian on April 27, 2006 1:11 PM

I do not particulalrly agree with your comment.

I use Bloglines.com for my blog. Currently Bloglines does not offer comments. But I do have my email address displayed prominently and have received comments by email, which I can decide to post or respond to publicly in the blog.

Spam issues aside, not every blog has to be accepting/publishing comments. I see it more as optional. YMMV

Alex Feldstein on April 27, 2006 1:12 PM

I think you might be overstepping a bit. Since "blog" is really ill-defined, we can all vote on its meaning.

But I think the generally accepted meaning allows for blogs to not have comments.

However, I think we can all agree that all the KEWL KIDS have comments enabled. A blog without comments is still a blog, but it's like a person without a heart. It's still a person, but closer to a cadaver.

Haacked on April 27, 2006 1:18 PM

"Jeff A:

I was curious what Scott was referencing here, so I looked it up: "

See, this is the kind of invaluable content you miss out on when you don't enable comments on your blog James.

Scott on April 28, 2006 7:26 AM

I read your blog on a daily basis, Jeff, and I find your observations clear, entertaining and almost always insightfull. I'd say about 85 - 90 percent of the time I completely agree with you. Not on this one.

"a blog without comments enabled is not a blog. I'm not sure what it it, exactly, but it definitely isn't a blog."

Well, of course, that's according to you. That's fine. That is what you believe and I respect that. However, your opinion of how a blog should be defined -- how it should function -- is not the hard, fast rule for all bloggers.

If a book has the front or back cover torn off is it still a book? If a magazine you buy at the store refuses to accept reader mail does that mean it can be classified as something other than a magazine? If I choose not to show my email/homepage when I comment here does that mean my comments aren't valid.

Definitions can be great. They can also be a way to suppress. Let's keep the definition of a blog loose for now. Many people blog because they find comfort in the loose and open format of it. Initiating "rules" and "definitions" would take away from that. I'm more than happy to "allow" people to post blogs where all they do is throw their opinions out into the universe.

I love the fact that you, Jeff, want your readers to comment. But not everyone wants or needs to allow for that.

Kenneth

Kenneth on April 28, 2006 9:50 AM

I'm going to concur with the idea that a blog that disables both trackback *and* comments is simply a website with a timestamp. Sure, there are other ways to communicate with the blogger (his site now lists his phone, e-mail, wife's email and a half dozen other ways) but at the end of the day none of them support the *community* aspect of blogging vs hosting a vanilla website.

It is that communication, the back and forth, that has made blogging distinct from the old AngleFire personal webs. Not that website's are not useful: they just are not blogs.

Wesley Shephard on April 28, 2006 1:35 PM

This conversation would make Humpty Dumpty want to fall off the wall.

foobar on April 28, 2006 1:38 PM

Great post!


(why am I always the one that has to pull out the obvious contextual joke? Other commenters, please lift your game.)

TristanK on April 29, 2006 3:31 AM

A Blog is a Blog, is a Blog -- and a Blog with comments is a Forum.

It's unreasonable to expect people that disagree with the tenants of your religion to build a church and start their own religion

And that is exactly what a small group of us did in the late '60s. We formed a small Unitarian Fellowship so that we could meet closer to our homes, in a form more conducive to our needs. Not having a paid Minister, we had a different speaker every Sunday, followed by a discussion period, followed by coffee and donuts.

Because of that experience, and others, I favor the forum format as opposed to the Blog; however, I am very unhappy with all of the forums that I have seen so far, as I am most experienced with Ziff-Davis type, which were designed for advertisers and suffer all kinds of shortcomings.

To remedy this situation, I am writing the kind of software that I believe necessary to build a national network of discussion forums. You can get a preliminary view by downloading my existing software at http://pdmsb.com. OTOH, you can check http://nationalcomputerassociation.com periodically to catch my release notification when ready (next week or two).

Doug Skoglund

Doug Skoglund on April 29, 2006 1:29 PM

Analytical mind goes crazy.

crazy world on April 29, 2006 1:39 PM

Do the guys at bethelministries.org know you are leeching one of their images? Just curious, I think you've complained about people doing that in the past ;)

Billy Bob on May 1, 2006 3:18 AM

Was not blog merely the contraction of 'web log', which to me seems to imply a website (the web part) that has continuing entries (the log part).

No part of that suggests the ability to attach feedback directly to each log.


"Captains Log, stardate rand(), we are visiting the system of Triskellion, I sure hope I'm not kidnapped. -- Kirk"

"Comment 1 - by Spock: Douche!"

xix on May 2, 2006 11:46 AM

"[Rule] 10. Don't take any questions. The content and quality of your presentation speaks for itself"

Remember, the title of this post was how *NOT* to give a presentation. So I am in favor of QA periods after a presentation, just like I'm in favor of a QA comments area after a blog post.

Jeff Atwood on May 3, 2006 10:20 AM

Hey, Scott...

Isn't it INCREDIBLE that someone might have the same name as someone famous? Mind you, James also has the same last name as a famous musical person; did you not notice that, or did you just not feel obliged to point it out? :)

Cheers,

Michael Bolton

Michael Bolton on May 3, 2006 10:27 AM

To the person who wondered why I would decry spam and then give out my contact info: because I make my living being easy to contact. Spam that comes to me via email is nicely filtered by other agents. Spam that comes to me via blog is not filtered except by me.

There are many ways to communicate, boys and girls. Has anyone considered that the only comments visible in this thread debating the merits of comments on blogs are by people who are willing to post icomments on blogs/i? Talk about your sampling bias! You might as well conduct an opinion poll asking people if they are willing to answer questions in an opinion poll-- I bet the answer comes back as 94% with a 6% margin of error.

-- James Bach


James Bach on May 3, 2006 10:33 AM

Talk about your sampling bias!

Now consider the sampling bias of people willing to write their own blogs.. it's a heck of a way to get public dialog.

Jeff Atwood on May 3, 2006 11:01 AM

I find this post a little strange coming from the man who said in his post "How not to give a presentation" (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000504.html): "[Rule] 10. Don't take any questions. The content and quality of your presentation speaks for itself"

But the content and quality of your blog doesn't? I have to say - I think not taking questions (comments) after a presentation would be exactly like a church pulpit and a real turn off for me.

:o

Josh on May 3, 2006 1:22 PM

One thing that seems worth pointing out, though, is that comments often are NOT intended solely to communicate with the blog author -- and thus, private email isn't a substitute. They are intended to communicate with other readers of the blog.

Brooks Moses on May 22, 2006 3:34 AM

I agree with Brooks Moses on that, very good point.

kevin on September 17, 2006 7:17 AM

It seems a little silly not having a comments area on a blog unless the only reason you put it up is to deliver information in a different format.

For me a blog allows me to interact with not only my customers but also learn through them and also embark on a discussion of all thing related to my business... I guess I wouldn't want to have it any other way.

For some business owners though I guess their time is limited or they just don't want to make the time to build relationships. Of course the many blogs that are up just to collect adsense revenue would fall into this category.

Well I've just upgraded and combined my blogs so I can get some discussion up and running... wish me luck.


Regards, Chris

Rss Feed Submission on February 15, 2007 3:45 AM

totally agreed with "Blog Without Comments Is Not a Blog" the same can be and Every blog must have RSS

dimi on February 28, 2007 3:21 AM

One of the problems plaguing the blogosphere is the metaphor problem, which is like the simile problem.

A blog is "like a church pulpit" Or it's like a newspaper editorial. Others have suggested that it's a village or a conversation around a really big table or similar to inviting someone into your house.

But it's not really ANY of those things. It's a blog. It's something new that never existed before in human experience. If I never saw a cat before I might think it's a kind of small horse because it has fur and 4 legs and is somewhat domesticated. It certainly resembles a horse more than a fish or bird or seal. But just try feeding it alfalfa or putting a saddle on it. We need to respect the limits of metaphors and not confuse hard reasoning with poetic comparisons.

I'm in the middle of starting new blog (peterography.com) and since it's MY blog (why else would I use my real name?) I want visitors to it to have a certain experience reflecting my tastes and style. Rude, poorly-written, or off-topic comments detract from the visitors' experience. I intend to initially allow people to submit comments pending approval with the understanding that they may not be accepted, but if I find that I'm spending too much time throwing throwing comments in the trash I may rethink even that level of comments.

Peter Nelson on May 14, 2007 3:04 AM

"A blog without comments is simply a blog without comments."

Yeah, yeah, in the same way like coffee without caffeine is simply coffee without caffeine... NOT!!!

Coffee without caffeine is not a coffee. Essence has been removed.

Same goes for the blog without comments.

Blog is simply your web log (diary) -- an open alternative to the real diary which you usually keep locked in your desk drawer.

You keep real diary locked because you don't want people to read it and be able to disagree with you in public over its content.

Once you go public, it makes no sense to try and prevent people from disagreeing with you because in doing so, it instantly becomes obvious that you are an arrogant preaching bastard. In other words, you believe that there is nothing left for you to learn, and only a fool can believe something like that.

Igor on July 3, 2007 6:15 AM

I really do but your blog is a reflection of who you are, and is an expression of your views alone. Many people in the online community are a little more totalitarian.Preachers are almost always available in the narthex right after the sermon. People with an opinion or question in response to this one, cites that he doesn't like spam, especally if his email travels through a corporate anti-spam engine, like a barracuda. Or maybe he just wants a more personal level of interaction, or a higher bar of entry.

Leena32 on August 11, 2007 3:28 AM

Sorry, but I can't agree. Some of the best blogs I read have no comments whatsoever. I go to the blog to read the author's experience, advice, and knowledge... probably in that order. It is informal writing.

Newspapers may publish Letters to the Editor, but they don't publish them all, don't publish them on the front page, and don't allow those writers to get into wars with each other. Yet, newspapers are considered an important form of journalism.

The response is not simply "a blog is a not a newspaper," because that does not leave the false choice of "it must have comments, then!"

A blog is a web-based column of articles written by a person or organization, typically without a formal publishing schedule and often without a formal topic. It's content is solely left to the author, and if that author (for whatever reason) decides to not have commenters, it is still that author's column.

CGomez on August 20, 2007 7:16 AM

"Coffee without caffeine is not a coffee. Essence has been removed."

This comment perfectly illustrates the problem with your position.

MILLIONs of people drink decaffeinated coffee. So for them the "essence" is not caffeine - maybe it's the taste or smell or something else.

The people who insist that a blog must, perforce, have comments never explain or justify their assertions. Their reasoning seems to boil down to "because I say so". Or it's social convention: the way some self-apointed village elders look askance at anything that violates the customs and traditions of their little tribe.

The inability to produce a more compelling argument is especially striking because bloggers are (supposed to be) writers! They are supposed to be possessed of the skill to communicate, and to organize their thoughts into a structured and compelling argument or story.

So why do so many bloggers become positively apoplectic about blogs which don't accept comments, or which moderate them down to a tiny few? Why can't they put into words any reasons for this belief that don't reduce to a Fiddler-on-the-Roofish "Tradition"? Because, boys and girls of Anatevka, maybe comments on a blog are about as necessary as a fiddler on the roof.

Peter Nelson on October 29, 2007 10:02 AM

Controversy sells. That is fact. I just never imagined a simple opinion about comments vs. no comments on a blog would spark such controversy. You all seem to have quite a different opinion from our author here, yet you all read this post, and some seem to even revile it as if he was making personal attacks. Controversy; I need to get some of that

RED on November 17, 2007 1:39 AM

"The people who insist that a blog must, perforce, have comments never explain or justify their assertions. Their reasoning seems to boil down to "because I say so". Or it's social convention: the way some self-apointed village elders look askance at anything that violates the customs and traditions of their little tribe."
Well, in that case, what's the difference between a blog, and any other kind of updated website? How do you define a blog?

"Which moderate them down to a tiny few." - Well this just encourages yes-manship. If you cut out 90% of people who respond to you, you will end up with only the people who agree with you.

deworde on November 20, 2007 2:29 AM

I think comments keep you honest. You have to think about your readership.
That said, I mostly use Facebook notes as my "blog" because I'm too lazy to create my own.

deworde on November 20, 2007 2:46 AM

fully agree, comments allow interaction and another point of view to be expressed

Steve on December 8, 2007 5:00 AM

I can agree the position of CGomez, but i think most like Peter Nelson. I think that the comments it`s a big part of blog, this is reaction of our readers and we need his "point de vue".

Sorry for my english:)

Le secret on December 8, 2007 7:15 AM

If someone has taken the time to come to my house and hear what I have to say then I can only repay the favor by allowing them to voice their opinion.

If I go to your house, then I expect the same courtesy.

I appreciate how there is a difference of opinions on even these comments here. I think that to be even more important.

Not everyone has to agree with what you're saying. And hopefully the responses you get can help you figure out if perhaps you're barking up the wrong tree.

I happen to agree with the message of this blog. Keep barking;)

Jill Carpenter on December 9, 2007 8:49 AM

See what lively debate regarding comments has been facilitated by the ability to comment on this blog!

Russ on December 12, 2007 10:02 AM

I haven't read all these comments (wink) so maybe someone else has already mentioned this, but perhaps a good middle-ground technical solution to this is to create a standard (if none yet exists, and which frankly seems unlikely, given the foment of this comunity) that allows owners of blogs to respond on their own blogs yet have their responses appear in the comment thread of the blog post they have commented on. Conversely, readers without their own blogs might be offered the option comment using the facilities of the host blog (or not, depending on the sentiments of the blog's owner).

Furthermore, perhaps comment thread tools ought to let later readers thumb-up or thumb-down individual comments (and threads) in the pile of comments for a given post, and let those later readers indicate what degree of popularity a comment (or thread) needs to have to be of interest to themselves (think Amazon's "Was this review helpful?" and Slashdot's "7 additional entries below your comment threshhold" here).

haigek on December 19, 2007 6:55 AM

I freaking despise blogs without comments. I wish there were a way to filter through the blogs that don't allow dissenters to post.

Angela on January 9, 2008 5:09 AM

I think that comments define a blog. But I don't think that all web site should have comments. The problem is "What is a blog?". The format of a blog can be anything from a bunch of text written usually in spoken form, to a tutorial. Sometimes they are by date. Other times organised by category. Some are even so highly organised they are like a Wiki. People publish information all the time and lots of that does not need or want comments.

Some web sites (e.g. Freshmeat or CPAN) should have comments for modules software - but they are not a blog.

So I think it is fair to day that a blog is a publication which allows comments.

Another comparison is a forum. The first or Topic post is the main post and then people can reply - this is another common form of what we think of as blog.

Now the hard part - if I want to put up my site and allow people to read my opinions, tutorials or other 'stuff', then for people to understand it I would need to call it my Blog.

Blog has become the word for "your opinions home page". Should all of those sites have comments - nope.

So tricky...

Scott Penrose on April 22, 2008 8:07 AM

Call me a low-tech loser, but I'm pretty new to blogs in general. As best I can tell, though, since the word "blog" is short for "web log" I would guess blogs started out as just that: a daily (weekly or whatever) log of what an individual is doing or thinking. Just a personal diary of sorts. No need for comments from the rest of the world. Last time I checked, a diary didn't allow for reader comments... but then again, a diary wouldn't be published for all the world to see, either.

Maybe I'm contradicting myself the more I type... after all, I did use the comments feature to post this. Darn.

Average Joe on April 22, 2008 10:51 AM

Ooops-- I apologize, I accidentally deleted a comment that I didn't mean to! I cannot remember who it was from, but it referenced this example of a site where the author felt forced to disable comments:

http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2007/10/why-comments-are-gone.html

Jeff Atwood on April 24, 2008 5:10 AM

I think you're overlooking the possibility of sending an email to the author of the blog - isn't this more or less equivalent to a letter of the editor, where it may or may not be selected for publication?

Voyance on April 24, 2008 5:59 AM

The primary purpose of comments on a blog is to silence the complaints from people who think it should have comments. :-)

Eric Sink on June 8, 2008 5:46 AM

It seems like a great deal of your issue can be solved simply by having blog's comments be threaded (hierarchically, etc).

I never quite understood why the default format for most blogs on earth is a simple string of comments without any indication as to who is replying to whom.

I tried a couple wordpress plugins to do just that, but never found one satisfactory, and I generally hate touching wordpress anyway.

My 2 cents.

-jt

James Thigpen on June 8, 2008 8:04 AM

Hear, hear!

I especially *hate* when author is either posting some controversial post, or a post is essentially asking for advice... and have comments disable. The latter (post looks like question to readers, but no easily visible way to add comments) is very frustrating.

Jakub Narbski on July 19, 2008 3:09 AM

I fully appreciate comments in blogs. I would just like to know how Jeff Atwood or anyone else who has hundreds (or thousands?) of blog posts to their name is physically able to read every single comment (forever and ever) and still have time to sleep more than about 2 hours a day. Isn't that like hundreds and hundreds of comments every day that Jeff has to trudge through? That sounds kinda like a full time job in itself.

What's your secret, Jeff? Have you cloned yourself? Have you coded artificially intelligent blog comment answering agents? Thanks in advance for reading this comment and responding to it, because Lord knows that I will most likely forget to come back later to check for a response. :-)

Kurt

Kurt Leucht on August 26, 2008 12:14 PM

To the person who wondered why I would decry spam and then give out my contact info: because I make my living being easy to contact. Spam that comes to me via email is nicely filtered by other agents. Spam that comes to me via blog is not filtered except by me.


Thank you..............

John on April 20, 2009 3:40 AM

"Are you really comfortable saying, in effect, unless you have a blog I am not interested in what you have to say? Because I'm not" Actually, I am. Very much so. I do not care about what wandom people have to say about my opinions. I just like forming and expressing them.

J. on June 18, 2009 10:03 AM

Hey, my comment is here!!

mason on February 6, 2010 9:47 PM

I agree that a blog without commenting abilities is not a blog. Thanks for letting us post our opinions here! Selling skills come down to creating a community, like you have here. Awesome.

Brro0701 on July 29, 2010 11:49 AM

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