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by Jeff Atwood

Jan 4, 2008

My Racing Simulation Rig

One advantage of being a geek is that our habits-- as such habits go-- are not terribly expensive. I've written before about my interest in auto racing. Instead of spending $100,000 on a sports car, I've built a nifty racing simulation rig that delivers many of the same thrills at a tiny fraction of the price. It's one of my few indulgences, and I'd like to share how I built it with you.

racing simulation rig, overview shot

Here are the ingredients:

Playseats Evolution (black)$299
Playseats Evolution shifter add-on$39
Logitech G25 racing wheel$229
50 watt Aura bass shaker x 2$80
Generic 100 watt subwoofer amp$100

It's worth noting that the Playseat Evolution is designed to mate with the G25 wheels, pedal, and shifter. The mounting holes match up perfectly. That was a pleasant surprise, as I had to do quite a bit of drilling on the older, original Playseat to get things mounted in the first version of this rig. With the Evolution and G25 combo, it's almost plug and play, although you still have to do some drilling to get the shifter add-on mounted properly.

The premium leather-and-metal (well, mostly) G25 kit includes some fairly esoteric features from a major brand vendor like Logitech, notably a clutch pedal and full shifter kit.

G25 shifter   G25 pedals

I know $229 may seem like a lot, but it's actually a great deal considering what you'd have to pay for an aftermarket shifter or clutch. You don't have to use these advanced realism features, of course. You can always ignore the clutch pedal, and the shifter can be switched between simple up/down mode and a full 6 speed + reverse layout.

The other item of interest here is the bass shakers. I split the PC audio between the PC and the 100 watt subwoofer amplifier, which is strategically mounted under the seat via bungee cords. I also tuck most of the wires under there.

Playseat closeup of amplifier mounted under seat

The amp is dedicated to driving the two 50 watt Aura shakers, which I've drilled and mounted on each side of the seat platform. The bottom of the aura has a cork backing, so there's no metal-to-metal contact.

Playseat closeup of Aura bass shakers

The wiring is quite basic, but if you'd like more detail there's a great walkthrough on hooking up bass shakers on Dave's site. The net effect of the bass shakers is pretty wonderful-- all the low-end bass is converted to tactile rumbling you feel in the driver's seat. You'll instantly know when you hit a rumble strip, and when revving a powerful engine you can feel the roar. Bass shakers are a clever, if decidedly low-tech, way to extend the sophisticated force feedback effects of the wheel to the rest of your body. It's no force dynamics simulator, but the bang for the buck is off the charts.

The "brains" behind this simulator is a franken-machine of parts left over from various PC upgrades I've made over the last year or so. PCs are so cheap these days, it's hardly worth listing the hardware specs. Any vaguely modern dual core CPU with 2 GB of memory will do fine. There are only two bits worth worrying about:

  • Video card. Don't skimp here. I'd recommend the NVIDIA 8800GT or better, as games tend to be heavily video card dependent these days.
  • Sound card. Get a discrete sound card with enough outputs to drive a 5.1 surround system. I need three analog outputs to drive the necessary 6 channels on the old Logitech Z-680 surround system I used in this room. A simple stereo plug isn't enough.

For the display, I opted for an inexpensive projection system.

Projector screen and speakers

I used a typical 4:3 business class projector, mounted on a shelf at the rear top of the room. The screen is the largest that would fit in the space. I've also mounted the 5.1 speakers on the wall, as you can see. The two rear speakers are on the opposite wall behind us, and the subwoofer sits in a rear corner.

Business class projector (1024x768)~$800
8 foot projector screen~$150
Logitech 5.1 surround speaker system$220

Between the booming sound, the huge eight foot screen, the realistic racing "cockpit", and the force feedback of the leather-wrapped wheel and rumbling bass shakers, it's an impressive driving experience.

Racing simulation in action

I've always loved racing simulations, and now I've assembled a rig that does them justice. Some of my current favorite racing sims are:

There's something about the programmer in me that delights in the physics playground afforded by these simulations:

Simulation, by definition, needs to be accurate. Otherwise, well, it's not simulating reality, really, which is of course the idea of simulation. Games like Forza simulate the real physics of racing in a predictable and mathematically precise manner.

The past, present and future of computer simulation of real-time physical events, or simply computer-based simulations that involve highly accurate representations of things moving/changing in space and time that are precisely affected by multiple variables like wind, rain, gravity, mud, oil, planets, waves, etc are fascinating topics for gamers (many may not realize this explicitly, but they sure experience it!), mathematicians, programmers and physicists alike.

I know this racing simulation rig probably barely scratches the surface of what it would actually be like to drive a $100k sports car on a race track. It certainly won't get you as much attention from the opposite sex as a real sports car would. But it's still a heck of a lot of fun, nonetheless-- and it can be built by mere mortals like you and I.

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Comments

One commenter said that you could not experience G-forces.

That's wrong ;). Researchers are developing a pulse unit that interferes with your balance processing regions, and can (in the case of stroke victims, etc) supplement your kinaesthesia. Trying to find a link to the patent.

I expect that in 5 years you'll be able to buy a headband that will give absolutely realistic sensations of falling, jumping, leaning, and driving.

Tom the Pooklekufr on January 5, 2008 1:08 AM

wow. that's just awesome. nice post jeff! i've been liking your blog a lot more in recent days :)

opensoresfreak on January 5, 2008 1:23 AM

Check your inbox you should have my address, you can ship that UPS it should be the cheapest! :)

Arron on January 5, 2008 1:30 AM

you forgot the fans (for the speed factor)

... just kidding

heri on January 5, 2008 1:41 AM

Another useful Bay Area autocross link:

http://www.baautox.com/


Mike Booth on January 5, 2008 2:01 AM

Never quite got the attraction of car games. Can you play Quake with that thing, and if you get hit by a rocket, will the bass kick you out of your seat ?

J. Stoever on January 5, 2008 2:06 AM

Maybe you're thinking of this:

http://www.thebuttkicker.com/gaming/index.htm

Racing sims are great fun, though!

Jeff Atwood on January 5, 2008 2:09 AM

That's kick ass man!

I've taken my obsession to the other extreme. I've started to garner big corporate interest in helping me throw track events. ;) So far, so good!

Chris Martin on January 5, 2008 2:13 AM

where the hell do you have the space for all this stuff!

The house we bought has a seperate 9 x 15 foot room behind the house. It's not connected to the house, but it's fully finished (minus heating). You have to walk out back about 8 feet and unlock the door to get there.

We weren't really sure what to do with this "room", until I came up with the projector idea. The projector setup takes up almost zero floor space, with the projector and speakers mounted high on the wall. The only footprint is the subwoofer box and the sound control input pod. The projector screen can be retracted and rolled up if it's not in use, too.

The playseat is actually more compact than it looks; it can be slid over on its teflon casters and stowed in the corner of the room when not in use. (The seat also folds over, but I rarely need to fold it.) We use this room for other things, too, like exercise DVDs, Guitar Hero / Rock Band, DDR, etcetera.

I realize dedicating a "boom boom" room is probably not reasonable (outside of MTV Cribs), but this was kind of a special case, I guess. What would *you* do with an unusual room like that?

Jeff Atwood on January 5, 2008 2:27 AM

fantastic.
where the hell do you have the space for all this stuff!

_sahir on January 5, 2008 2:28 AM

nice setup!

gogole on January 5, 2008 2:28 AM

I've always thought about adding extra springs to the clutch and brake pedal to mimic the real life force required for those pedals in a real car

esp the brake pedal if you want to carefully modulate and threshold brake..

do you hack the controller?

David Pio on January 5, 2008 2:43 AM

My wife now hates you - you plant to many ideas in my head :)

Goran on January 5, 2008 2:49 AM

Not my sort of thrill, but it does make me wish IT professionals in Australia were paid even a fraction as much as their US counterparts (;P)

Paul Coddington on January 5, 2008 2:55 AM

I'm thinking I might put something like this in my basement, to help learn some tracks before I show up on them, as track-time on the well known tracks is limited and expensive, and I'd love to make the most of it.

Many pro drivers use simulators to train. From the Wikipedia entry on Nascar Racing 2003 season:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_Racing_2003_Season
--
NASCAR driving superstars Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Martin Truex Jr. are known to be players of the game, and many professional drivers are said to use the games online multiplayer mode to practice tracks before races. These included 2006 Rookie of the Year Denny Hamlin, who trained for the Pocono 500 at Pocono Raceway, going on to win the race at a track notoriously tough for rookies. (It should be noted, however, that Dale Jr. is a paid endorser for EA Sports.)
--

Jeff Atwood on January 5, 2008 3:36 AM

From one sim-racing addict to another... nice rig :) If you're looking for some team-based competition in a good number of the above-listed sims, head on over to www.vmaxsr.com and give us a buzz :)

James on January 5, 2008 3:46 AM

A smaller system for ppl who need it small :

http://kotaku.com/340570/vrx-mach-4-brings-4-screens-2-forza-2-4-u

http://www.virtualracerx.com/new_products.php

virtualblackfox on January 5, 2008 4:39 AM

Rfactor 0wns me! From the moment I hopped into the BMW F1 car and my "head" started being jerked around by acceleration and pummeled by the wind, I knew I was onto something special. Bought it straight away.

Dirt seems to be the odd one out of the list - Played the demo on 360, and thought it was a decidedly un-physicsy sim?

I'd love to get force feedback working in rFactor with the 360 wheel... haven't looked into it for 6 months, but it didn't look doable yet back then...

TristanK on January 5, 2008 4:53 AM

I need to make one of these for a FPS :S

Btw, love the idea and post!

Suroot on January 5, 2008 5:10 AM

My sim setup is a little ... different

[ed: changed to smaller picture of very cool remote control helicopter, without geocities http referer restriction ]
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3426/p1000650fh5.jpg

Nick on January 5, 2008 5:17 AM

Killer.

Daniel on January 5, 2008 5:28 AM

try testdrive unlimited

I on January 5, 2008 5:50 AM

Jeff,

Looks like you think you are Sebastien Loeb on that picture in his Citroen C4!
Any chance you have a "shopping simulation" I could setup for my wife so I can get your setup?

Happy New year,

Eric.

Eric Liprandi on January 5, 2008 5:57 AM

Of all the things I envy of you most: WAF

David on January 5, 2008 7:14 AM

Oh my God!!!
Jeff, when do you actually get time for this?
Pretty cool stuff. What about commercial assembling? ;)

Niyaz PK on January 5, 2008 7:14 AM

I wonder if/when that sucker gets released: http://www.d-box.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=20Itemid=39

II Robot on January 5, 2008 7:18 AM

I can just imagine how angry you'd be if you found out you'd lost a race because jupiter was out of alignment

owen on January 5, 2008 7:27 AM

I have one word for you, Jeff: "autocross".

Visit this page:

http://www.sfrscca.com/content/view/4555/32/

Make sure to read the "Your First Event" pages.

Then go to an event. The next one near you is in Marina in late January. Bring your street vehicle -- even if you drive a 1984 Chevy Chevette, you will be able to drive your car on an autocross course and enjoy yourself.

I'd come along and introduce you, except that I live in Boston now. :)


Mike Booth on January 5, 2008 7:32 AM

talking about toy show-off, u did pretty well man :)

Michael on January 5, 2008 8:07 AM

"I've wasted my life!"

Dave on January 5, 2008 8:17 AM

The only obvious thing you're missing is the g forces. Well, i suppose you dont get the smell and heat but you're probably happy about that.

Miles Archer on January 5, 2008 8:18 AM

Hmm one thing you missed out on is the "having enough space for the set up". It seems you have dedicated a whole room to this... that's really the most insane part of it I think :)

Niels Hansen on January 5, 2008 8:20 AM

Sweet. Now you just need another cockpit so you can race. ;)

Kevin Dente on January 5, 2008 8:21 AM

You don't have any kids do you?

Craig Woodward on January 5, 2008 8:23 AM

My husband reads your blog and showed me the pictures. He's unwilling to tell you that I think this is very hot. :) So I came over to do it myself.

Krissy on January 5, 2008 8:57 AM

Absolutely beautiful. My little arcade setup seems pathetic now. ;)

john smith on January 5, 2008 9:10 AM

Jeff, why not try Autocrossing?

If you want to try ACTUAL auto sports it costs almost nothing to get started. My autosports clubs has 9 events each summer (MN actually has seasons!) and they cost $30 to attend. VERY reasonable. I generally show up with my daily driver, it takes a quarter tank of gas, and a small fraction of my tires.

It literally costs me about $35-40 to go for auto sporting for a day! It's a lot of fun! My club has a website at mnautox.com but I'm sure there are other clubs in your area.

Check it out, it's a LOT of fun. My autocross club website is:
http://www.mnautox.com/

Cullen Murphy on January 5, 2008 9:12 AM

Awesome!

Mohammad Azam on January 5, 2008 9:14 AM

Would have loved to have something like this for the hours I spent on Gran Turismo ;)

Dave on January 5, 2008 9:33 AM

This is absolutely awesome. I have always been a huge racing-at-the-arcade-games but you have taken it to a new level... now if only I can get my wife to approve...

Noam on January 5, 2008 10:05 AM

Excellent timing, just last week I was thinking of going out to buy a new racing wheel since my 7 year old daughter has fallen in love with Gran Turismo 4 and I've just picked up Dirt. Now I know which wheel, but now you've got me thinking about that chair and shifter...

One question, I wonder if this setup (or similar) is available on the PS3 or 360?

Shawn on January 5, 2008 10:14 AM

Another disgusting post ... you've just been deleted from my rss feed :) (you dont care, i know)

Keep earning dollars have fun

erf on January 5, 2008 10:35 AM

Be careful, you appear to be on your way to ending up at a local track. :) once you find out that it *doesn't* cost $100k to get started, you'll be doomed... I started with video games but soon moved to the real life thing. First Autox, then went to Rally, and eventually ended up buying a used One Lap of America car and went out and hit the nearby (less than 5 hour drive) tracks. I don't even own any racing video games, there's just no comparison to actually going out and doing it. Warning though, while it may not cost the $100k to start, you'll spend it eventually in repairs, upgrades, and entry fees! :)

As far as us geeks having expensive hobbies, maybe you don't, but... Head out to any local track (road course, not quarter mile as that's completely different) and pretty much everyone you meet is an IT person. Same for out at the local General Aviation airports...

Brian Knoblauch on January 5, 2008 12:11 PM

As somebody who routinely races a $100k car around the track, I have to say, your setup is fantastic, and I'm a little bit jealous.

I'm thinking I might put something like this in my basement, to help learn some tracks before I show up on them, as track-time on the well known tracks is limited and expensive, and I'd love to make the most of it.

Now I'm wondering how accurate the tracks are in these sims, if they'd at least be useful for memorizing the corners and the elevation, even if the braking/acceleration points and the lines were all wrong.

Super-cool.

Actual Racer on January 5, 2008 12:14 PM

Knoblauch is right about the cost, btw, but it's a huge hole.

I started with auto-x, then bought a race-prep mustang and tooled about in a local spec series for a few years, then I popped for a Panoz GTS and now I use that to burn gas and rubber.

Each car has ended up costing more than the MSRP of the car, per year, in tires, parts, etc.

Be warned.

Actual Racer on January 5, 2008 12:17 PM

Take it from someone that actually go to the track and race. I am sure that you are not getting the full experience in this. You don't feel the g-force, fear, seat movements, etc..

Can you actually feel the difference in your turn in a dry or wet road? Can you actually adjust the gas pedal by the sound of your tires? What about after the race? Can you go pop the hood of your car and show what you are running?

Some of these things will always be better in real life.

Not to take the thunder away from your rig, that thing is pretty cool, at least your insurace won't go up :)

Jesus DeLaTorre on January 6, 2008 1:11 AM

Jeff, thanks for fixing my post.

The sim, which is running on the laptop in the picture is a very accurate simulation of the model, and is controlled by plugging the radio transmitter for the model into the computer. (the transmitter is the black box to the left of the laptop, unfortunately its fallen in its face)

Because I only get to fly the model twice a week at most, and only in summer, I've never really had enough practice to progress, but the sim is helping hugely to overcome that.

If you do take up autocross as suggested above, you will probably find its not that big an adjustment from any of the more accurate racing sims. The main issue is bravery or consequences, as opposed to technique.

If you do, tell us which racing sim driving style transfers best.

Nick on January 6, 2008 1:13 AM

Now I'm wondering how accurate the tracks are in these sims

There's a British show called 'Top Gear'. One of the presenters timed his lap in Gran Tourismo 4's Laguna Seca, then went and did the same thing in real life (in the same car). He found there were some details of the track that weren't quite right in the game.

[ed: great show, I've seen that episode. Videos can be found through this search: http://www.google.com/search?q=top+gear+laguna+seca+nsx+turismo ]

Pete on January 6, 2008 2:08 AM

What about simulating a luxury slut? ;-)

1 on January 6, 2008 3:17 AM

Awesome post. I was once a car-sim freak too, although I only had a Logitech Formula Force wheel and no other peripherals.

I was reasonable at EA Sport's F1 2002 and Simbin's GTR 2002 (GTR's forerunner) and even skinned two cars for the latter:
-http://www.bhmotorsports.com/download/3418 (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/previewfile/3418)
-http://www.bhmotorsports.com/download/2539 (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/previewfile/2539)

Mind you, I was 16 then :D Still, there was nothing better than blazing a Lister Storm or Marcos down Spa Francorchamps or even better Valencia for multiple hours straight.

Sadly I don't have money but especially time for this anymore, plus I lost my interest in Formula One (it's really boring nowadays) thus racing for a great deal.

However, blaze on :) It's post like these that set your blog apart from the general "programming blog".

Leo on January 6, 2008 5:12 AM

Have you considered Forza 2 and the Five XBox 360 setup?

http://kotaku.com/gaming/forza-motorsport-2/gdc-07-the-forza-2-super-set-up-242090.php

Shawn Wildermuth on January 6, 2008 9:37 AM

wow wow, I am like wow I bet its than a real car.

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Luis on January 6, 2008 12:55 PM

To me it looks as if using the pedals would bring you into conflict with the steering arm (straddling it with your legs to engage the pedals.) Maybe the angle isn't as severe as it looks.

Kenneth on January 7, 2008 2:29 AM

Nice rig, but a car would have cost less and been much more fun. I used to play racing sims but now when I have the chance I just go for a drive in the real thing.

Fred on January 7, 2008 2:35 AM

Buy a second hand Lotus Elise (around 9k in the UK) and take it on some windy roads.

Burns on January 7, 2008 4:03 AM

I have the exact same speakers. Best Buy Ever. Really.

Alejandro on January 7, 2008 6:02 AM

Nice rig, but a car would have cost less and been much more fun. I used to play racing sims but now when I have the chance I just go for a drive in the real thing.

You can usually get a z4 for about $30 if you shop around
That is one of the reasons I don't play car games any more

z on January 7, 2008 7:58 AM

Sweet setup my friend! Sweet setup indeed!

For those seeking "cheaper" alternatives, my buddies and I got away with similar experiences using simply a projector and a Mad Catz wheel setup for a PS2. I think the wheel and the large screen give such an enormous dimension of realism added to the situation.

While I don't get to use my wheel setup much anymore, the one benefit over the "real deal" is that I can take my McLaren up a small hill at 140 mph, jump over a police car barrier, land on the hood of a cop car, steady the card when I hit the ground keep going, and not worry about death or anything like that 8^D

That and taking our the death star in the original X-Wing PC game are still easily recalled in my brain. Yeah, I'm a wimp, but I still have fun. 8^D

Sean Patterson on January 7, 2008 8:01 AM

Very cool setup! However, I have a couple suggestions for your speaker placement. The rear speakers are fine, and the base is absolutely perfect. But my time spent in first person shooters has taught me that your placement of the front left and right speakers is less than optimal. In a narrow, open space like that one you're not getting clear definition between your lefts and rights, and probably have some echo effects from the back wall.

First, you want to move those speakers forward, so that they are closer to you. This will make the front sounds a little louder than the rear sounds, which helps with placement. You'll get a much better effect of hearing a car approach from behind, and be better able to tell where a car is as you pass.

Secondly, you want to turn the speakers iso they face the wall/i. This sounds strange at first, but the effect is really straightforward. As it is, in a room like yours that's a perfect rectangle with very little on the walls to absorb sound, a lot of the what you hear is actually echo off the far wall. By facing the speakers towards the wall, maybe 3 to 6 inches away, you really get to hear the sound from the intended direction.

Joel Coehoorn on January 7, 2008 9:27 AM

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Catto on January 7, 2008 9:31 AM

Wow. Very nice. Although I'd argue the "not terribly expensive" part, but hey - whatever works. Needless to say I'm jealous. I want my own gaming Boom Boom Room. I'm a Guitar Hero-er and having that projection setup would totally rock nuts.

...there's something about saying "Boom Boom Room" that just makes me smile.

Morning Toast on January 7, 2008 9:45 AM

That looks pretty cool. Guess it also makes sense for driving whilst under the influence!

Wondered if you ever had a look/play with the freeby race car simulation software at http://www.racer.nl/ as that lets you define all manner of parameters and import tracks, vehicle graphics, etc?

Still reckon you should go for it with the real thing though...

Rut the Nut on January 7, 2008 10:31 AM

Get a life

1 on January 7, 2008 12:48 PM

using the pedals would bring you into conflict with the steering arm

A fair observation; the older Playseat used a giant arm to mount the wheel that extended all the way down behind the pedals, and thus, didn't block your legs.

But there's a reason they changed this: stability. All current Playseat Evolution models layout block your feet a little-- but the steering column doesn't feel rickety and precarious as it did in the older layout. You quickly adapt and it doesn't get in the way during gameplay. I'll a bit of minor cockpit inconvenience for a solid, substantial feel any day.

Jeff Atwood on January 8, 2008 1:24 AM

You should try XPand Rally

www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/xpandrally/

Chris on January 8, 2008 11:40 AM

I doing the same thing for Guitar Hero III complete with stage, costumes, and mannequin audience.

Steve on January 9, 2008 4:25 AM

OMG!
Really cool to rally in that seat :)

j0k3r on January 10, 2008 3:23 AM

It all looked great.... Until he added the computer.

ian_scho on January 10, 2008 11:25 AM

Damn. Noah, Lawton, and I will be on the next plane to visit.

Do check out an auto-x. Tons of fun. And unless you get real serious, it is pretty cheap--helmet (which you can usually borrow at first) and entry fee (~$20-$30). But if you do get hooked, you can start trailering your tires or even car and you start talking real cash.

Sean on January 13, 2008 7:17 AM

I hope you've tried Toca Race Driver. V8 supercars around Bathurst are just incredible!!

Scott on January 14, 2008 7:07 AM

Hi Jeff,

What's your time on Joux Plane ?

Markie on January 17, 2008 5:38 AM

Did you see who is sponsoring Milka Duno in the Rolex 24 hour race at daytona?
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080122/0350925

jake on January 23, 2008 1:33 AM

Chris the rights, you necessarily should try XPand Rally!

audi" href="http:///2008/01/audi-r8-again.html">audi">audi on January 23, 2008 5:29 AM

Hey Jeff, I was wondering if you could give me more info on the bass shakers... I'm wondering do they over heat.... I've used Butt Kicker but had amplifier problems from wahatever reason.... blowing amps.

RKip on February 8, 2008 10:36 AM

Some of the retards here just don't get the racing sim concept. Professionnal drivers such as Denny Hamlin use simulators to prepare for real tracks they have not been to yet. Some teams even encourage the drivers to "suit up" to grasp all the reality they can. Ever try to drive a car in your living room? If you want to race for real, try Karting, but don't give up on SIMS.

Mark Sheets on February 24, 2008 1:32 AM

if we can help with everyones effort to improve sim racing

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cvsigna on May 11, 2008 12:30 PM

Hi friend.
Can you send me a sketch with measures of this seat??
Were I live dont have this seat and I think to make one.
If possible I thank.

Vicente
vickauto@globo.com

Vicente on May 14, 2008 9:55 AM

Interesting setup you have there! I'd be curious as to what you could come up with for a submarine simultion game..

Steve on June 7, 2008 12:50 PM

all i heed to make my one like yurs is an projetor lightbullb and an sub

djj75 on June 20, 2008 3:38 AM

i use my ps3 for it

djj75 on June 20, 2008 3:49 AM

You are amazing

Dolphinrocks on August 8, 2008 3:45 AM

hi .love your setup really good ,i have made my own simulator using a old car seat,made a frame out of some left over steel i had lying around the shed and a playstation two ,running it threw my surround system ,i myself have raced in the past dirttrack speedway designed and built my own racecars from the ground up with my brothers we all raced over a 15year period, we had built several competive cars powered by motor cylce engines ,believe me when you are trying to run your own race team the way you want it to be run,it does cost alot of money it is not as cheap like some of you seem to think it is ,cost of travelling ,car rebuilds repairs ,driver insurance for the track ,plus other expensives ,my cost to race my own car would have been above $100,000 ,sponsors dont cover all the costs for the racing i took part in,so sit back and have a think of how much money those who say are racing,how much it costs you to race,what about when you crash ,the damage to your body ,i dont miss that .i still have my race car but costs to much to race to stay competive now ,i do miss it but ,other priorities in life now take over from the racing .
so have to find another way to still get the feeling of racing and building a simulator is a good way ,my plan is to build a much better one in the future,maybe even use the old race car or build a cheaper copy version ,but not sure weather to go the pc way or carry out some upgrades for the playstation ,anyhow its all cheap fun ,plus when i crash i dont get hurt anymore haha.
so to everybody have fun in what you do and jeff keep up the good work
arthur..........australia

arthur on January 2, 2009 5:33 AM

what is the simulator that nascar drivers are using these days ?

stealthtech on February 15, 2009 7:28 AM

hey check out this site www.simcraft.com is this the ulitmate simulator or what .they say fi teams use it to train there rookie drivers cost about $60,000

arthur on February 17, 2009 3:49 AM

a couple more sites to check out ,www.racebasecockpit.com and another australian company www.hyperstimulator.com,

arthur on February 17, 2009 3:54 AM

how do you even make a racing sim and where can you buy the parts please tell me

dag on March 4, 2009 11:53 AM

simcraft also just released a motion simulator development kit that is $2,995 instead of their $25,000 professional driver training rig. It includes parts and plans to build sim chassis.

www.simcraft.com/star.html

dale on May 20, 2009 4:00 AM

Jeff, nice static rig. Like Dale said if you are looking to upgrade to a full motion sim, take a look at SimCraft's STAR kit.

We have also just released our engineered drawings for making your own chassis from aluminum; http://www.simcraft.com/320.html

There is also a 3DOF option http://www.simcraft.com/530.html

mboardman on June 23, 2009 10:51 AM

Hi,
Great setup. I'm currently trying to figure out what to do for a race rig. So many options out there it's twisting my brain. So I've started a blog to try and have all the options in one place.
I'm leaning more and more towards Playseat Evo or home built. I'm also think Obutto Ozone but not sure about delivery to Canada.

Scott on July 6, 2009 10:58 AM

Hi Jeff,
Nice rig. Gives me more reasons to consider the Playseat Evo for myself. I'm trying to decide on a setup so I can get back into enjoying GTR2 and GTR Evo. I'm keeping a blog to try and keep all the "resonably priced" rigs in one place with links to other setups, lists and reviews.

Scott

Scott on July 7, 2009 9:16 AM

Hi Jeff,
Nice rig. Gives me more reasons to consider the Playseat Evo for myself. I'm trying to decide on a setup so I can get back into enjoying GTR2 and GTR Evo. I'm keeping a blog to try and keep all the "resonably priced" rigs in one place with links to other setups, lists and reviews.

Scott

Scott on July 7, 2009 9:18 AM

Ever ridden a motorcycle?

Seriously, probably cost you about same amount of $$$ and loads of action/speed/fun.

jon on February 6, 2010 10:20 PM

Wow. Now that's pretty crafty. I want something like that for my rc helicopter.

www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawnculvkZcLGLXw2Q2AMzxZj8y-BRkQN50k on March 15, 2011 5:37 PM

Ok, now you've posted the "how to" and the materials needed to construct a simulation gaming chair, I am definitely going to build one for my own! Do you have any ideas on flight sims too?


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Marlon Dequito on March 23, 2011 5:18 PM

nfs, forza and dirt really aren't sims. they are games. big difference.

Matt_ball_uk on April 16, 2011 2:41 AM

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