If you're at all familiar with computer history, you might have heard of Bill Gates' famous 1976 letter to the Homebrew Computer Club. The letter was written to address rampant piracy of Bill's earliest product, Altair BASIC, which was being passed around quite freely by hobbyists in paper tape form, without any sort of payment to Microsoft (or, as it was then called, Micro-Soft).
Bill was understandably upset about this state of affairs.
It's an interesting figure: less than 10% of the "users" had actually purchased a copy; the other 90% had pirated it. Let's compare that statistic with a blog comment left November 12th by one of the authors of the critically acclaimed indie game World of Goo:
last we checked the piracy rate was about 90%.
32 years later, and we've ended up back exactly where we started. That's not exactly a resounding affirmation of the human spirit, or anything.
That 90% piracy figure was later substantiated in a blog post:
First, and most importantly, how we came up with this number: the game allows players to have their high scores reported to our server (it's an optional checkbox). We record each score and the IP from which it came. We divided the total number of sales we had from all sources by the total number of unique IPs in our database, and came up with about 0.1. That's how we came up with 90%.It's just an estimate though... there are factors that we couldn't account for that would make the actual piracy rate lower than our estimate:
- some people install the game on more than one machine
- most people have dynamic IP addresses that change from time to time
There are also factors that would make the actual piracy rate higher than our estimate:
- more than one installation behind the same router/firewall (would be common in an office environment)
- not everyone opts to have their scores submitted
For simplicity's sake, we just assumed those would balance out. So take the 90% as a rough estimate.
What makes this particularly depressing is that that World of Goo is not a game that deserves to be pirated. Not just because it's easily one of the best games of 2008 (and it really is -- please try the demo for Windows or Mac).
The crushing piracy rate is especially painful in this case because World of Goo was handcrafted by a tiny 2 man independent programming shop. Even a cursory 10 minute session is more than enough to demonstrate that this is a game built with love, not another commercial product extruded from the bowels of some faceless Activision-EA corporate game franchise sweatshop. Nor is this an exorbitantly priced bit of Adobe software that costs hundreds or thousands of dollars; it's a measly twenty bucks! Fifteen, if you count the fact that it's on sale right now via Steam. Oh, and did I mention that the developers explicitly chose to avoid any form of onerous copy protection?
Doesn't matter. 90% piracy rate. Just like Altair BASIC. And every other game.
Now, I'm no saint. I essentially grew up as a hardcore Apple // scene pirate, resolutely avoiding those public service announcements not to copy that floppy. I have a deep and personal understanding of the fact that not every person who pirates the software would ultimately buy it anyway. I was just a kid; I barely had money enough to have a computer at all. This is why the BSA's hypothetical piracy loss claims are more fantasy than anything else. Piracy is a natural state of affairs for users with lots of time and no money.
But it doesn't stay that way. Now that I'm older, I have money -- and a taste for software. I buy software all the time. I urge other people to buy software all the time. I've worked for companies that buy hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of software. I've even gone so far as proposing a Support Your Favorite Small Software Vendor Day, and I still try to live up to that goal. I have a budget set aside to buy some bit of software from a small development shop, each and every month. As programmers, we of all people should appreciate the message Bill Gates outlined in his original 1976 letter better than anyone else: buying software supports programmers.
But let me be absolutely crystal clear about one thing: as a programmer, if you write software and charge money for it, your software will be pirated. Guaranteed. Consider this recent example from the Joel on Software forums:
My software is being pirated.I have contacted with the forum where is the post with the crack and with the business that he requested (I called him) this crack. But they do not seem to want to collaborate. What I do?
How I can prevent future actions like this?
Now, the users can download a demo limited by days from my website and others' websites. I'm using Quick License Manager....
Short of ..
.. you have no recourse. Software piracy is a fact of life, and there's very little you can do about it. The more DRM and anti-piracy devices you pile on, the more likely you are to harm and alienate your paying customers. Use a common third party protection system and it'll probably be cracked along with all the other customers of that system. Nobody wants to leave the front door to their house open, of course, but you should err on the side of simple protection whenever possible. Bear in mind that a certain percentage of the audience simply can't be reached; they'll never pay for your software at any price. Don't penalize the honest people to punish the incorrigible. As my friend Nathan Bowers so aptly noted:
Every time DRM prevents legitimate playback, a pirate gets his wings.
In fact, the most effective anti-piracy software development strategy is the simplest one of all:
(Or, more radically, choose an open source business model where piracy is no longer a problem but a benefit -- the world's most efficient and viral software distribution network. But that's a topic for a very different blog post.)
Now, it's up to you to prove me right and revive my waning belief in the essential goodness of the human spirit by buying a copy of World of Goo, ideally directly from the developers.
Or you could, y'know, pirate it like everyone else.
Software is a service only if you are writing software for a single entity. As soon as you start writing software for public consumption, you either are giving it away, or you are selling it. If you want to give it away, that's great. If not, and someone copies it without paying you, that's piracy.
Having been a game developer in an earlier life, I know that piracy is an unfortunate fact of life. The real tragedy, however, comes when a developer can no longer continue to produce popular software because everyone steals it instead of paying for it. Eventually, creative computer gaming is gone and all we are left with is console crap.
Zorro on December 27, 2008 11:05 AMspeaking of world of goo, which i have wanted to purchase for a long time now, which version is preferrable--the wii version or the pc version? i'm wondering if using the wiimote would be more difficult than the mouse.
cowgod on December 27, 2008 11:15 AMIt is true that not everybody who steals another person's software would have purchased it anyway, but it's still theft. Not theft of money, but theft of the creator's right to choose what he or she does with his creation.
In this case, when people pirate World of Goo they're not taking 20 bucks away from 2D Boy, they're taking away 2D Boy's right to choose what they want to do with their own work. Instead of meeting their terms (just $20, even), they're basically telling the developer they can't and shouldn't have a say in how the game is used. Some may say that that's not a big deal, but this type of theft can't work. If software developers are going to be able to afford to develop software, they need to be able to control what is done with their software. Charge $20, charge $1,000,000, or charge $0 and put it under the GPL... it has to be their choice. Our only choice as customers are to accept their terms or move on.
If people don't like what is happening to 2D Boy and World of Goo, I have another suggestion than just buying a copy of the game: Make a personal commitment not to steal software. You can't change other people's minds, but you can control what you do.
Darren on December 27, 2008 11:24 AMHi Jeff,
thanks for writing about this, because it's near and dear to my heart as a software developer: http://dlinsin.blogspot.com/2008/05/paying-for-software.html.
buying software supports programmers is exactly how programmers should think, because it's our business which is being harmed when you download something pirated! Stealing from each other is only harming ourselves!
david on December 27, 2008 11:39 AMyou sound like you are being honest now with buying software which is a good thing but by your own admission you did a lot of pirating as a kid.
this is a perfect example of what goes around comes around. what's happening is perfectly fair in your case, isn't it?
nick
nick on December 27, 2008 11:50 AMThe other side of the coin is that with piracy, I get to choose what I buy, like in a free (software) society I should.
I bought World of Goo on my Wii, and enjoyed it, sure. No problem. But about 90% (hey, 90%, how about that) of the other crap I bought from WiiWare I will never get refunds from.
vk on December 27, 2008 11:57 AMUnless all Altair owners were using Micro-Soft's BASIC, then a claim of 90% piracy of Micro-Soft BASIC is unwarranted.
Mike Mol on December 27, 2008 12:05 PM@NM, Mike Hussein Cohen, Duh:
You guys are what normal people call, freetards.
Your ignorance is just unbelievable. How does supporting users equate giving you the source code?
Stallman has spoiled many, many kids.
Why World of Goo lets you submit highscores when it feels such a high percentage is pirated is beyond me.
You just have to be smarter. Take Apple iTunes for example. They made it easier to purchase a song for $1.50 than to find it, rip it and then download it.
I don't see a problem in a $20 game calling home (checking against a server) every time you run it to verify you are a valid user.
Christian on December 27, 2008 12:40 PMAs a 20 year old disability pensioner, I've never worked. My first and current income is this pension, and it is below the relative poverty line in my country. I have a budget for mind blowing software, but it is unfortunately very small. When emailed the World of Goo guys praising their fantastic game and asking if they could provide some discount or means of donation, they refused. They wanted me to keep my money... Nice guys. One day I'll be able to afford stuff like this, but till then i'll have to go forth pirating the majority of my software, and using specially discounted or free licenses in most of the rest.
One big moral I have is that any time I do pirate something, I need to ensure it doesn't cost the developer anything. That means never using support, never downloading related stuff from their site. I think the moment I cost them something, it changes from sharing to some kind of stealing.
I suspect sometimes an honest unpaid user is worth something special to indie developers too. A story of struggle, and an expression of love for their software. Completely aside from that, I have friends who do have money, and sometimes my positive recommendations cause them to buy apps too. If piracy costs nothing and helps sell more copies to those who can and would pay, well, that sure is a great ideal. :)
Jenna Fox on December 27, 2008 12:41 PMI'd love to buy this game but unfortunately PayPal thinks that there is huge hole in the Earth instead of country of Serbia, so it's impossible to buy anything via PayPal from here. I wonder how exactly PayPal managed to become so popular and still they are oblivious to how many countries there are in the world. I guess I'll just have to pirate it since it is a great game.
shtef on December 28, 2008 1:10 AMHey. This World of Goo is great. Anybody know of a crack for it?
No, seriously. Thanks for the heads-up, Jeff. That game is so addictive that I had to go and buy myself a copy (the official story is that I got it for my son).
Nicolai on December 28, 2008 1:11 AMHere's an example of a great freaking product that has a fair charge ($49 to $361, depending on the edition, if you buy online): FL Freaking Studio! http://flstudio.com/
Versions of the product 7 and prior have all been cracked but real producers who use this software all buy it and what does it matter if kids at home pirate this. When they releaes their songs they will have to buy it anyway (or maybe after they get some cash from a few first songs :P).
Otherwise, thanks for another inspiring post.
Paul-Sebastian on December 28, 2008 1:51 AMThank you for writing such a thoughtful, balance article on piracy and us pirates. I personally prefer the full version of any software, game, movie, or music before I buy. Just last week I bought HBO's The Wire. As for software or games, I bought Dead Space after playing it through for free. But really, most software should be donationware. I might even pay more than a publisher would charge standard if it works really, really well for me.
Jimmy Crack Corn on December 28, 2008 2:49 AMI also didn't realize World of Goo was out there as I've been pretty busy lately. Seeing as I have some time I'll have to download the torrent from one of my private trackers and try it out. Thanks for the headsup, Jeff. You're the greatest.
Jimmy Crack Corn on December 28, 2008 2:57 AMI think it's pretty clear that the but you should have [paid for the copy] part is pointing at the fact that an individual or organization *owns* the software in question.
What is it that they own? What other things did they copy from to make it? What, if someone makes a copy of it, have they lost? Certainly not anything that they had before the copy was made.
Ideas are *not* owned, they are held; and they can be held in multiple places simultaneously without diminishing any one instance. To say that one of those instances is “owned” is a poor way of modelling reality.
When someone gains the same idea (or a modified version of it), the original idea remains. Attempting to apply scarcity to things that can be copied indefinitely without affecting the original is futile, counter-productive, and harmful.
None of this is intended to *justify* copyright infringement. But attempting to equate copyright infringement with “stealing” is baseless, because copying does *not* remove nor diminish the original. If you want to justify restrictions on what people can do with a copy of an idea, you need some other model than “ownership” of scarce resources, because copies of ideas are not scarce and they can't be meaningfully owned.
Haven't read all comments, so forgive me for repeating.
But as a software developer, I can understand that people want money for the work they have put into the product. Most people don't even understand how much work is required to produce good software.
But, one thing that developers should remember is that they should be proud of people using their product. No it doesn't bring food on the table but it shows that at least you did something right.
2nd, I think that it should be possible to make it more attractive to own a legal copy of the software. I am actually proud of being owner of some of the software that I have invested in.
3rd, but what really surprises me is from a global perspective. They may not pay for your software, but that are still USERS of your software. I know several developers using visual studio, artists using photoshop or 3dmax. They maybe used the software unlegal for several years when they where kids or students, but they sure does pay for the products now and are experts with that software now. Because they got the chance to use the software. And no it doesn't pay your bills now, but what if Bill Gates stopped everybody from using Basic that day, the we might all write Cobolt today ? :)
Take the hints the music industry finally is learning:
1. DRM-Free
2. Online Distribution
That's not entirely true ... There are several server emulators for World of Warcraft that allow one to host a private server. I would probably deem that as pirating
Myabe technically, but not in practise. While WoW private servers exist and are not liked by Blizzard, they are hardly real competition for the official servers. The percentage of people who prefer to play on such servers is negligible compared to the number of people who pay for online access to the official servers. Of course I'm going by word-of-mouth here but the community of WoW gamers and bloggers is a pretty strong one and feedback about such private servers does get around.
Solidstate on December 28, 2008 5:12 AMI have mixed opinions on piracy, though being a pirate myself, I guess it might be a bit hypocritical to judge others.
I personally pirate games and apps to 'preview' the software, to see if it's really worth my money.
If a game or app is particularly awesome, then heck yea i'm buying it :) Just like World of Goo 3 I did recieve my first copy through 'questionable' means, i'll admit, but.. after playing it for a while, I grinned and coughed up my $20 for the real thing. It was just that awesome and beautiful to play, and I felt a bit guilty the first time through after finding out it was made by such a small group of developers. Also, recommended it to a few friends, who also bought it later on :)
There are always going to be pirates, and no game or software is ever going to be safe.
But to avoid this, all they have to do is put a little more time and effort into it, to change peoples' minds, as well as stray away from putting ridiculous price tags, and security measures that punish their honest customers.
razrien@hotmail.com
Thomas on December 28, 2008 5:52 AMOne thing is to earn about $50,000/year
(source: http://nyjobsource.com/salaries.html) and pay $20 on a game.
Another thing is to earn $4,500 (source:
http://noticias.uol.com.br/economia/ultnot/2007/09/14/ult4294u799.jhtm)
and pay the same $20 to play the same game...
Piracy in a global world is very different if you analize it...
bignose
What is it that they own?
They own the right to control the distribution of their software. That's what copyright is. When someone makes a copy of that software, they are, in effect, stealing the distribution rights. That is a real, legitimate loss that 2D Boy has suffered. The value that they legally possessed was diminished.
Of course nobody can own an idea if ownership means the ability to prevent other people from having it, and making a copy of a piece of software does not alter the state of the original. But that's not how the concept ownership is applied to intellectual property, and nobody has tried to argue otherwise. To own the software you write means that you should be able to control its distribution. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you're a pirate, you're a dick. - So dick's a pirate?
How bout this
If you're a developer, you should do your due diligence on keeping honest people honest.
There are tons of very popular consumer shrink wrapped software out there that aren't being pirated at all simply because the devs did their due diligence on implementing a simple and efficient copy protections. If you can't be bothered to do the research then get a consultant.
Here's a nice explanation of what the quoted phrase means, courtesy of Ozy:
It’s an English idiom to distinguish the common criminal from the hardcore lawbreakers.
For instance, suppose you have a nice lawnmower. Do you leave it out in the front yard over night, or do you lock it in a shed in your back yard? Most likely you lock it in a shed. But surely you realize that if someone REALLY WANTED TO, they could jump the fence, cut the lock, lift your lawnmower over the fence, and pawn it off despite your security measures. Nothing you would seriously consider doing can hope to stop a reasonably determined individual from taking your lawnmower, but that’s not what locked sheds are for: they’re for stopping the much more common individual who is willing to commit criminal acts when there is very little risk or difficulty. Thus, it may be said that putting your mower in a locked shed in your back yard instead of leaving it out front is a means of, “Keeping honest people honest.”
From the Gamasutra article that Jeff has linked:
[...], knowing that eliminating 50,000 pirated copies might only produce 50 additional legal copies does help put things in perspective.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17350
In other words: the imaginary conversion rate of a former pirate to an honest buyer is just 0,1%. This means it's a more effective way to make a better game in order to get better sales rather than fighting piracy at all costs.
Similarly, a typical free-to-play game that supports itself via micro-transactions and/or optional subscriptions has less than 5% of its user base actually spending money on it, with at maximum 1% of the users making the gross of the income.
I'd like to sum it up like this: free-to-play is the future. See, it is already here, we just call it piracy and it is illegal. In future i expect to see a lot more games that are given away and spending money on it will be completely voluntary. And an additional positive side effect could be a reduction on compromised computers, since (my personal guesstimate) 95% of all cracks keygens are infected with trojans, backdoors and what not.
@steffenj: Free-to-play is not the future. As you already pointed out, IT DOESN'T MAKE MONEY.
Also, spending money on games is already completely voluntary. Nobody's making you play games. Just watch — if games all go free-to-play with optional paid perks, people will start hacking the perks and say, In the future, I expect to see a lot more perks given away and spending money on them will be completely voluntary.
Chuck on December 28, 2008 7:54 AMI have bought World of Goo and I love it. I am dismayed by the piracy rate, too. But I also think they did everything to get the highest piracy rate possible with every legal buyer getting a persistentn and non-personlized link to download the game.
Even if DRM is not the way to go - puting a visible email in the download link might already have made a difference. Retiring a link after X amount of downloads, too.
Sad story, though :(
alex on December 28, 2008 8:06 AMAs some of the comments have suggested in various ways, the model isn't effective. The price of a product will approach its marginal cost, and in the case of digital goods that is $0.
I am a professional software developer, and I have no intention of ever selling software. Even when I worked at a large software company and we sold Enterprise Software, realistically we weren't selling the software. We were selling support, deployment/installation services, training, etc. The software was a vehicle for all of it.
Now I worked in web apps and, again - the software is free.
I think ultimately that's how our entire industry will work.
Tom on December 28, 2008 8:06 AMThe guys who make Reaper have it right, IMHO. It's a free, unrestricted, unlimited demo, and then a reasonable price for a damned fine piece of software which is constantly updated, for free.
Like others have said, I won't bother with a demo if there's any kind of restriction and jump straight to the cracked version floating around the torrent networks (and I'll often skip risking the extra download time too, if they don't specifically say 'unrestricted'). I refuse to pay for software unless I can 'try before I buy' on principle, and I don't much care if it's through official channels or not. The developers' business sense is their concern, not mine :)
Re: Tom on December 28, 2008 08:06 PM
Tom, let me ask you the following: Imagine you invested hundreds of hours writing your next greatest app; invested into high quality 3rd party tools/libraries/etc (open source or otherwise); invested into technical writers, graphic designers, etc - so at the end you now have new greatest, coolest application. And lets assume that because it is so great it does not require neither support (because all written so well), nor deployment/installation support (because you use high quality installers and users can do it as click-click-click) nor training (because you have great software and great documentation) - now what? are you still planning to give it away fro free. If yes then let me ask you - what is your business model would be? When you are saying: I think ultimately that's how our entire industry will work. - what industry are you talking about? If you are talking software development then this is to vague. You can not seriously pile-up together Enterprise grade applications and $0.99 iTunes apps.
karra on December 28, 2008 8:50 AMDarren,
But that's not how the concept ownership is applied to intellectual property, and nobody has tried to argue otherwise.
You might like to check out:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/misinterpreting-copyright.html
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html
Mr_Protection.. Crypkey is a joke. A total nightmare. It resets it self constantally, and refused to run correctly on some pc's. I swear, Crypkey drives people to piracy.
Rocketboy on December 28, 2008 9:12 AMI agree with Jeff 100%. By paying for software, people are actually taking part in the evolution process - deciding what software shall survive and prosper and what should be forgotten. By pirating it, they are like behind a glass wall. Watching, but with no way to influence the future. The same applies to freeware. Despite giving it for free, it still did cost the time to make and unless the author gets compensated - no one will refuse a donation.
On the DRM and pirating: Piracy can only be solved by social means, not technological ones. In my shareware, I use a very trivial serial checking/evaluation counter. If someone wants to use it without paying, they know it is illegal and it is their decision and their problem. I am not fighting a lost cause.
Vlasta on December 28, 2008 9:18 AMI read this long list of comments, and it is sad, really sad, to see that no one is brave enough to even touch on the ethical implications of piracy. It always gets second billing to DRM, copyright law, economics and software delivery models. I feel like an old fart (at age 32) to even bring it up, but I think it should be said at least once. Want to *help* stop piracy? Talk to your kids about morals, and use a post like this as a start. I'm a programmer and a parent, and I know it doesn't have to be an after school special, but at least start there. Most people I know that pirate, do it for one of two reasons:
1. They don't think it is wrong.
2. They know it is wrong, but don't care.
The vast majority are the former. As small an issue as it might seem, this one topic can provide a lot of insight into how your kids, friends and family view rights, and how far those rights extend in any civilized society.
Brian on December 28, 2008 9:20 AMBrian,
Agreed.
Darren on December 28, 2008 9:27 AMBrian,
You wish to call your kid who shares a game with his friend a PIRATE?
My definition of a pirate is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate
*Yawn*
http://www.ambrosiasw.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34059
Old news, people.
Pierre Lebeaupin on December 28, 2008 10:37 AMI think most people just think it's such a silly little game that it doesn't warrant paying for it.
I heard the less than 24 hours after Windows XP was released there was a crack for it.
Dan Massicotte on December 28, 2008 12:35 PMi'll add the fifth entry, have excellent support, especially true if it's not a game software. somehow some people feel that support is cost while the software product because it's doesn't require any physical material to built it isn't :(
melaos on December 28, 2008 12:57 PMAs many posters have said, now I'm older and I can afford to, I pay for games and software; GTA 4 being the most recent purchase, it took forever to install and demanded that I sign up to two different gaming accounts to use it, it tried to install background services that start with XP takes forever to boot needs the disk and pissed me off royally - it took a day before I could even play it.
If I now downloaded a cracked illegal copy that won't give me all this hassle even though I paid for a legal copy, I bet I would still be considered a thief.
I've preordered World of Goo in June. Since then, my magic key somehow got lost inside my large mailbox. So, out of pure lazyness, I've downloaded a pirated copy.
Did you know that World of Goo is #2 top selling game on Amazon, just after World of Warcraft?
On a related note: If you like World of Goo, you will love Crayon Physics Deluxe. Preorder now. And no, I am not affiliated to either WoG or CPD developers. :-)
Moritz on December 29, 2008 1:30 AMI have noticed 1 common thing when it comes to piracy, be it software, music or movies. If someone doesn't want to pay for the item, they won't. The person who is willing to pay for it will pay a price - and that price could actually vary a fair bit. One of the hard things about pricing is that its easy to put the price up, but hard to bring it down (hence sales and half price periods).
I have long had the view of minimal (if any) DRM etc... It just seems to make things harder for the honest user. The one that does not mind searching for a key/hack will just find a way around the DRM.
Bill Gate's letter is very confusing. You can't really conclude that the piracy rate was 90%.
The piracy rate could be only 51% (most of the hundreds of users of BASIC).
How many Altair owners were there?
If hundreds of users was 200 and there were 2000 overall Altair users, then the piracy rate could have been zero.
njkayaker on December 29, 2008 2:09 AMI wait for a year or so till the prices of the original DVD go down (or they come bundled along with expansion packs). The best part of buying older best-selling games is that your current hardware config is able to play it. No need to upgrade to the latest-and-greatest graphic cards!! I recently bought Far Cry for $10 and a 10-in-1 Command and Conquer First Decade DVD for $15.
But yeah, DRM is a pain. I hate inserting the CnC DVD in the drive everytime I want to play. The DVD is starting to get scratched. I cant copy the DVD either and run using the copy. It makes me want to get the game for free.
Why should the honest end-user who has paid for the game (not the DVD) end up in a loss ?
halcyonwild on December 29, 2008 2:10 AMPeople still pay too little attention to the fact that not every pirated copy is a lost sale. I have tons of pirated stuff on my computer. If now someone invents an uncrackable piracy protection (not realistic, but let's pretend it exists), would I really go and buy all this stuff? No. Actually I would start considering carefully what of this stuff do I really need and what stuff is nice to have but I can also happily live without it. The result is, I would maybe buy 10% of it, because I really need it and stop using the other 90%, because I don't really need it and cannot afford to spend that much money on stuff I don't really need. Actually the 10% estimation is already too high, because if I really need it and keep using it for years, I will sooner or later buy it, being afraid that one day they release an update that won't have a crack anymore and I won't be able to use it any longer. So I end up buying the essential software in the long run anyway.
And let's face it, how much software do you really need? Do you really need a game? It's nice to have, but do you really need it? I don't think so. I can live happily to the end of my days without ever playing a game again in my whole life. I may miss it sometimes... or I may not, not even sure how much I would miss it. When I'm very busy I have no time for playing games and I don't feel like missing it. I usually play games to kill time where I don't know what else to spend it on. The more busy I am, the less of this time exists.
The really essential tools I need for daily work are all bought already. So I might skip 100% of the pirated stuff if I can't get it for free any longer. Most software companies would be extremely surprised to see that their sales won't significantly go up if they were starting using an uncrackable copy protection. That is my strong belief. Pirated copies are most of the time not lost sales, so why spending time and resources on fighting them in the first place?
Mecki on December 29, 2008 4:04 AMI was like Jeff. When I had no job, I used to pirate everything I could get my hands on. In addition to the base money issue, you couldn't exactly go to the local Walmart and buy software in those days either. The nearest software store was a Babbage's in the mall in the nearest major city 50 miles away. My first software purchase was the end of my pirate days. I proudly marched up to the counter and paid for it, all $60, I think, with dimes and pennies from my overloaded pockets. I was really popular with everyone in the store that day. Especially the friend who drove me there, who looked like he wanted to be anywhere else.
These days, I'm saving a bloody fortune on software by not buying anything ever. I haven't paid for a single piece of software since 2001, and I haven't pirated anything either. Linux is a great conscientious choice for people who want to stop hemorrhaging money paying for the same stuff every few years, but who hate piracy.
I still think Linux would be a lot more successful if people weren't willing to just rip off software. I know a lot of people who give me the Linux is for dweebs kind of spiel, and then they talk about how they don't have to choose, because they have cracked copies of Windows, Photoshop, Office, etc., and it's all free too. These same people never want to have anything to do with FOSS stuff that runs on their native platform either. Why settle for second class junk when you can just steal $5,000 worth of software?
The worst thing is most people don't even think about it at all. I got a new computer, and then I went over to Bill's house to ask if he could load Office on there for me. I tried your OpenOffice.org thing, but I couldn't figure out what to do about something or other, Espresso, Pajama, something like that, but Bill hooked me up, so I'm good, thanks.
I've dedicated my life to this open source crap for six years, and I'm about ready to throw in the towel. It isn't even that people are making a conscious choice to steal. They're just so abysmally ignorant that they have no idea they're stealing. Then when you point that out to them they start looking around a little and thinking, and then they say screw it, they've been stealing all this time, why start paying now? Everybody knows computers only run one operating system anyway. Everybody knows that, you weirdo.
Ah, bah humbug. Bah humbug indeed.
Wake me up if that game ever actually has a Linux version. I'll buy a copy. For now, I'm not the slightest bit lured by that Linux beta coming soon on there. Sure it is. I bet that sign has been up for two years.
Michael on December 29, 2008 5:14 AMThere are two kinds of pirating copying binaries and copying designs. If you copy a binary and then figure out how to break the code licensing scheme you are a first degree pirate. When you copy a business plan you are a second degree pirate
First degree pirates rip off things like autotune or photoshop and are essentially small timers. The software they steal would not have been bought to begin with these types of thieves have no money and will never get any personally or in a business. The software producers are partly to blame because you can build unbreakable licensing schemes but that takes creativity, money and hard work. So first degree pirates actually have little effect on the overall software business. I would guess that 90-10 is reversed. These pirates cost producers 10% of revenue at best.
Second degree pirates are more insidious they copy your business plan. Sun is a second degree pirate hence the inclusion of the post script below. A second degree pirate wants to be a competitor in a market space, analyses the competition, gets funding, and starts off.
Sun thought Unix should come to market (even if it wasn't ready). Their technology was not better: 'big Sun iron' is no better and less reliable than the IBM mainframe Z series. Their medium iron was not better than Vax clusters. The Sun desktop is pathetic, even for free. On the processor level Sparc never beat MIPS or Itanium. These will have to be taken as axioms since this is not the place to debate technology.
Third degree pirates steal your morals. The whole Sun/Linux/Java Open Source is a chimera a fraud. It leads you to believe in fairy dust that is you can get something for nothing. The dot com disaster was a side effect of this. XP programming does this at the methodology level subverts morals.
Sun after 25 years has nothing to show for its effort but carnage. Their market share is too small to analyse any more they are dead as a company, zombies stumbling around with one foot in the grave, a stiff wind and they will fall over for good.
As 3rd degree pirates Sun nearly wrecked the mainframe business, did wreck the Vax business, and has devastated the software business with Java. What was just another oo language was spun into a cultural revolution of failure. Java as a fat client, puhlease! Java bloatware in the middle tier (you have to cluster because no single system will stay running very long). Java databases spare me.
The whole radical, cool, chic, XP programming is a scam. What is useful about it is testing, testing and more testing (truth is good developers were doing it anyway). Analysis and design went in the toilet. They even tried emergent design as a model. I tool XP guru Robert martin that emergent design is nothing but evolution which produces great works over millions of years with trillion of corpses for failed iterations. Great for biology and a planet, bad for a software product.
Scott McNealy and Sun are second and third degree pirates, much more dangerous than first degree. The BSA and SEC can do nothing about Sun, only IT managers can, time to sober up, the part is over, put the crack pipe and the bottle down and get back to work.
Sure this is a bile filled screed, but based on my observations there is a lot of truth to it.
P.S.
Of course it is sick, NO ONE writes software for free. This is the big lie of open source. All participants have ulterior motives, get a better job, be seen as an expert (when in fact you are not), start a money loser and hope deep pockets will buy you out with a big pay day so you really did not work for free (Red Hat/JBoss). Once the money never comes the old operant conditioning kicks in and the extinction response is on its way.
Bill Gates was right (as always) stop stealing software and pay for it! What about all the crippled enterprises that have bought all this half-ass ware? XP Programming where programmers rule, not managers, where schedules are impossible to predict (think about that one). The code is “too cheap to measure” like java: write once, debug forever.
The worst thing a business can have is someone else’s source code, they want a product that works and support that goes with it.
Sun has the been at the forefront of wrecking the IT industry with this disingenuous crap. Solaris lost on the desktop, it lost in the data center and is draining the American economy with the illusion of free ware.
Here’s the source code is a virtual ‘F*ck You letter’. I learned that bitter lesson more than 15 years ago when a vendor called and asked where I wanted the 1 million plus lines of source code escrow to be delivered. I said the null file!
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| Michael Meeks Says OO.o Project is Profoundly Sick |
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| posted by timothy on Sunday December 28, @06:32 (Software) |
| http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/28/0124230 |
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unassimilatible writes [0]Michael Meeks, who works full time developing [1]OpenOffice, writes in his blog that the project is '[2]profoundly sick.'
'In a healthy project we would expect to see a large number of volunteer developers involved, in addition — we would expect to see a large number of peer companies contributing to the common code pool; we do not see this in OpenOffice.org. Indeed, quite the opposite we appear to have the lowest number of active developers on OO.o since records began: 24, this contrasts negatively with Linux's recent low of 160+. Even spun in the most positive way, OO.o is at best stagnating from a development perspective.'
Discuss this story at:
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=08/12/28/0124230
Links:
0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Meeks_(software)
2. http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/ooo-commit-stats-2008.html
gsgiles on December 29, 2008 6:17 AM
I purchase all of the games I want to play. I must say as a paying customer NOTHING angers me more than CDs being required to play. If I wanted to swap CDs in and out to play games I'd buy a console.
Billkamm on December 29, 2008 6:39 AM...less than %10 of Altair owners have bought BASIC
It's an interesting figure: less than 10% of the users had actually purchased a copy; the other 90% had pirated it.
Interesting, and *wrong*. That's only 90% piracy if you assume every single Altair was running Micro-Soft BASIC.
T.E.D. on December 29, 2008 7:42 AMI love world of Goo (and paid for it) could not agree more.
John on December 29, 2008 7:54 AMI've written a shareware product and 90% sounds about right... maybe a little low. I could defeat the problem by having the software phone home at startup to validate that the product was purchased, but I find this sort of thing unethical (e.g. what happens when the product is discontinued? or my site goes down? etc).
To help combat the problem have a Lite version of my product that's free. Its good enough for most people, so it gives them less of a reason to pirate my software. I'm sure this has cost me some paying customers, but I hope its encouraged some to pay for the extra features if they need them in exchange for me being nice enough to offer some of the features for free.
Gio on December 29, 2008 8:12 AMRe: gsgiles on December 29, 2008 06:17 AM
gsgiles inasmuch I do agree with your points about XP and Open Source (definitely not agree about Java, for variety of reasons) - I think you need a hug :)
@Chuck: Free-to-play is not the future. As you already pointed out, IT DOESN'T MAKE MONEY.
You got me all wrong. Do you really think i would have made my comment if it had such a fundamental flaw? Duh!
I repeat: if the free-to-play users, less than 5% spend money on it and less than 1% produce most of the income. However: many FREE TO PLAY GAMES ARE PROFITABLE and some even highly so. The margin of profit is often higher than for AAA titles if you factor in development costs, marketing, and such while the risk to develop free-to-play games is low. Whereas with a AAA title especially if it does not have a strong online component the pressure to be successful is often immense.
See for example the Petroglyph story and why they are committing to free-to-play. You'll find other examples if you dare to google.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/why-petroglyph-is-venturing-into-free-play
Michael, see:
We Don't Use Software That Costs Money Here
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001097.html
World of Goo does that, yet isn't effective against piracy. Your conclusion is flawd, so the entire article is.
Possibly. I think you have to add items #3 and #4 to my list:
1. Have a great freaking product.
2. Charge a fair price for it.
*3. Make it more convenient to buy than to steal
*4. Provide instant gratification
as LKM noted in one of the earliest comments, above.
iTunes is a good example of a previously pirate market working, if you meet all four rules.
Jeff Atwood on December 29, 2008 10:54 AMNice article, Now that I have money, I buy and play, aslo i don't share game and software like I used too. But what do now is I play the game nad if I like it I buy it. Now that I can afford to buy, I bought all the games that I played and liked, and I still enjoy playing them. But if the game is too costly, I wait for few months when the gaming company release jewel case or a less priced box of the game or buy it when there is a discount sale, but I make sure I buy a legal copy of the game. As per software goes, I started using the open souce software or free software, or wep apps. Yea I do download movie, tv shows torrents, but I don't distribute them, so that makes me a small time pirate. I support the concept of 'Try and Buy' Try a software/ game for few days, if the user/ gamer like the software/game they will buy it, I mean the developers should make sure that the software/game should be interesting enough/provide enough functionality, and price the software/game affordable to attract the user/gamer to buy the software/gamer. I bought few games adn softeare after trying the demo version. The policy of returning the software/game if the user/gamer is not satisfied is good one, that way the developers will make sure that the game/software is great not only in demo version, but also in the full/ retail version.
Anand on December 29, 2008 12:02 PMWell.. the fair price point is exactly what is going to solve this problem..
the World of Goo is 20$.. only 10% of users buy it..
Sell it for 10$ and if original games percent goes to 30% - there is more profit.. Why don't game companies realize this point..
Especially game/software prices are high for Asian countries like the one I live in - India. There is a huge market.. as 1/6th of the world population lives here and guys we are developing rapidly now and have a huge customer base too..
Quakeboy on December 29, 2008 12:34 PMI do think that the people who think DRM doesn't cause piracy are more than a little deluded. Take Spore, for example. It was the game most pirated in 2008, and the main reason was because people didn't want to pay for the DRM that came with it. They didn't want to tell EA that SecuROM was ok.
As for me, I only pirate things which are so old as to be incredibly difficult to find or I can't afford on my 3-day-a-week-minimum-wage job. Not quite justified piracy, but piracy on it's best terms, I believe. As long as you want to pay for it, I suppose?
daysocks on December 30, 2008 3:14 AMless than 10% of the users had actually purchased a copy; the other 90% had pirated it.
That's not what he wrote.
Less than 10% of the Altair owners had bought a copy of Altair BASIC, but that doesn't mean that the remaining 90% used pirated copies. I'm sure a fair share of them did, but aren't you jumping to conclusions when you assume that ALL Altair owners used BASIC?
This is one reason why many of the game development studios, including the one I work for, are releasing on consoles months before they release on PC. This way they get the revenue from the console releases (since they are the most difficult to pirate) and then later on when the initial console sales have declined, they release it on PC to get a bit more yardage on the title. The income from games these days drops off fast after the initial release and even faster due to piracy.
James on December 30, 2008 3:40 AMOf course nobody can own an idea if ownership means the ability to prevent other people from having it, and making a copy of a piece of software does not alter the state of the original. But that's not how the concept ownership is applied to intellectual property, and nobody has tried to argue otherwise.
To use terms like “own”, “property”, “pirate” etc. is very much to frame the conversation in ways that make the analogue to how people understand physical property.
You make my point for me: Since these concepts don't map well to the concept of property, we only confuse and confound rational discussion if we cling to terms with entirely irrelevant baggage.
Ideas are not property, they don't behave at all like property, the things people do with them are not at all like the things they do with property; and it is harmful to coherent discussion to continue using terms that imply those falsehoods.
After reading this, I went and bought the game. Someone help these 2 guys out.
Albert on December 30, 2008 8:24 AM1. Have a great freaking product.
2. Charge a fair price for it.
Amen to that!
The problem isn't just with software, any field that relies on IP suffers.
A film I made 2 years ago is finally being released now.
It has already been downloaded over 4 million times.
It's not out in most of the world yet.
It cost $9M to shoot, $25M in total.
It makes film-making a waste of time.
It wasn't even a stunning film :-)
The Mutant Chronicles
Geoff-Cinematographer
The single most effective thing I've ever done to decrease piracy of our games was to build this simple webpage (and SEO it a bit):
Tracking shows plenty of people hit it and end up buying.
Dustin on December 31, 2008 3:40 AMWhere I work we sell some of our software products commercially.
We moved to hardware dongles because we found some of our re-sellers have bough a single copy, then they sell that copy over and over to their customers. They pocket the money, we get nothing.
This is not piracy this is out-and-out theft, and probably fraud.
Extremely hard to do anything about it though. Hardware dongles are expensive but seem to be effective. Even then, I'm sure a well-versed cracker would bust that protection - eventually.
ashleigh on January 1, 2009 5:27 AMThe biggest kicker in this equation is world of goo is both fantastic and entirely DRM free.
These are the good guys. It's a shame.
I've rambled on about just living with piracy in the past (http://www.davidwhitney.co.uk/content/blog/index.php/2008/09/30/protecting-your-software-authorisation-and-you/) however I always feel a little gutted when people stick it to the little guys.
If only it'd work on xbox live arcade as well as wii ware, but I just don't see how it could be ported without being dumbed down or with really odd controls.
David Whitney on January 1, 2009 6:41 AMOK. I am a longtime steam hater, but I checked out world of goo on Jeff's advice. It's not my kind of game, but I ended up purchasing two other games while I was looking around. One of them is decent (it works like it's supposed to anyway) and came at a good price. The other was a fairly new MMO that worked once and has been a source of endless frustration since. Now I remember why I NEVER purchase software. Retailers and software producers alike have for years been pushing the idea down our throats that software, once purchased, cannot be returned for a refund. EVER. What happened to the old axiom the customer is always right? What happened to my rights to be satisfied with the product? Why does nobody ever mention this aspect of purchasing software when discussing piracy?
Spadefinger on January 1, 2009 9:23 AMWorld of Goo is actually the only game I pirated, but enjoyed it so much I ended up buying it anyway. The killer feature for me - besides the AWESOME game that it is? The no DRM of any kind feature. Yup. Had it not been that, I probably wouldn't have bought it as I use many different computers, and ended up installing the game on many of them.
So if you did enjoy the game, consider buying it. It's more than worth it :)
Andre on January 1, 2009 9:35 AMPart of the reason I buy so much on iTunes and Amazon is they already have my credit card details, so purchasing is easy.
Make it just as easy to buy your crap and I'll buy it too.
I tried to buy Peggle from PopCap games the other day. The experience was so frustrating I gave up. I'm fairly sure pirating a copy would have been a hell of a lot easier. I didn't pirate it though. Although I pirate stuff about 30% of the time nowadays. That figure was a lot higher when I was younger.
Though to be honest, as a developer who will inevitably sell some software crap to other people, I couldn't care less about piracy providing I'm making enough money to get by. Perhaps I'm just not that greedy. Or full of my rights and everyone else's injustice.
Also to be honest, I'll pick a business model that works. IMO selling software doesn't work anymore. I don't think it ever did work to non-enterprise markets frankly. Bill figured that out early and locked all the vendors into forced sales contracts. Nice work Bill.
Max Howell on January 1, 2009 12:20 PMI've been playing world of goo for a couple months
and I just bought it due to this article.
another great game from a small team is castle crashers
Scott Cowan on January 2, 2009 3:52 AMThe single most effective thing I've ever done to decrease piracy of our games was to build this simple webpage (and SEO it a bit): http://sillysoft.net/warez/
This is VERY VERY smart. Kudos to you, and I think more games devs should do this as well. Being the #1 search result for piracy says that you care about your product, and your customers (the ones who can be swayed, anyway) will notice that. Combats broken windows piracy.
Jeff Atwood on January 2, 2009 5:01 AMsome of our re-sellers have bough a single copy, then they sell that copy over and over to their customers. They pocket the money, we get nothing.
This is not piracy this is out-and-out theft, and probably fraud.
It is neither theft, nor piracy, since both of those refer to *physical property*, and what your rogue re-sellers are doing has *no* connection to your physical property. If you invoke a misleading metaphor, you abandon rational discussion.
What you describe is copyright infringement. Please keep the terms clear so that discussion can be reasonable.
@Dustin
give your approach another dimension - develop a crack for your game and spread it over the web. the crack would expire after 15 days when user is quite addictive to the software and more pushed to buy
It's great to see that people I admire have the same tastes as me; World of Goo is indeed a wonderful game (pre-ordered it btw), and it was chosen as RockPaperShotgun.com 's game of the year. I just hope the developers still received a fair compensation for their work which would allow them to continue producing such gems.
Alex on January 5, 2009 7:24 AM@Usman Shaheen
Not sure I agree with your idea. Sounds like a strange implementation of Guerrilla Marketing... here are my of the top problems with this:
1. by doing so you would invite people who probably would never buy your product in the first place
2. you potentially can alienate people that would be your customers
3. I am not a lawyer but would question a legality of distributing something as a crack
So, why not use licensing and create evaluation that would expire after 15 days...
Alexander Krivov on January 5, 2009 7:33 AMI would agree with 90% piracy as well. We sell to educational software fortune 5000, governments and schools. We raised money then invested almost a million of dollars in our software and marketing then had to lay off almost all of our employees (9 out of 11) because multi-billion dollar companies bought one license for $300 and shared it with all of their employees. Since we sell training software even at $300 per person we are saving our customers over $1200 per person compared to classroom training not to mention travel. It would be nice to charge less but our potential market is in the low in the thousands. We tried selling some popular titles in the $39.95 but actually lost money on them.
No matter how tight you crank the licensing, they'll find a way. Citrix is a great way, load one copy on the citrix server and share it with everyone or load it on a notebook and pass it around or common area machine you name it they find a way to break it.
When we surveyed our customers, we got a 99% customer satisfaction they love our products but not enough to buy one for each person.
It's frustrating for the 10% who were honest.
I do feel even worse for you game developers who have supply chains and only make a few dollars per copy sold. Kids think you get the full $49 but with licensing fees, wholesalers, distribution, packaging, shipping, retailers not to mention your large staffs, there is very little left at the end.
Piracy is a violation of international copyright law and is a felony, if you are going to steal software you might as well jack some cars or rob the corner store it's not much different. Although for now the chances of getting caught are pretty slim. The BSA (bsa.org) offers a $1,000,000 reward for piracy leads. Accidental license misuse is a $150,000 fine per occurrence and intentional license abuse is a $250,000 fine per occurrence.
If you know anyone who is ripping off software let the bsa.org know and get your 10% reward.
according to the BSA:
What is Software Piracy ?
Software piracy is the unauthorized copying or distribution of copyrighted software. This can be done by copying, downloading, sharing, selling, or installing multiple copies onto personal or work computers. What a lot of people don't realize or don't think about is that when you purchase software, you are actually purchasing a license to use it, not the actual software. That license is what tells you how many times you can install the software, so it's important to read it. If you make more copies of the software than the license permits, you are pirating.
Randy H on January 6, 2009 4:29 AMLast (maybe).
Someone else blogged about Zombies today: http://tinyurl.com/8b7enh
Its one thing for a zombie-making manager (ZMM) to take this to heart (ZMM to-do's: Get a heart) but what about those who are being zombified, especially in a tight market?
A positive attitude will help a lot. Yesterday and today, Joyce Meyer interviewed Dr. Leaf, a brain researcher, on her show. Dr. Leaf explained how memories are basically stored as negatives or positives. The negative thoughts actually release fear-related chemicals everytime their accessed with cause something like 85% of diseases. The positive ones actually release chemicals that bring healing to your body.
Being zombified could definately be taken as a negative. Some of the steps to take are:
1. Forgive your manager.
2. Repent for your own bad attitudes, words, actions, etc. That means to acknowledge your wrongs and be sorry for them. As long as you maintain an I was justified or I deserve attitude, you maintain the negative thoughts.
3. See were you can improve your performance, by being more proactive or education
4. Realize that you have gifts abilities others don't. Look for opportunities to bring those out more.
Lastly, realize what you really deserve. Someday, you'll stand before God. Do you really want what your deserve or do you want mercy?
Jeff Schwandt on January 6, 2009 8:56 AMWorld of goo is too short and simple for 20$.
Aquaria is a hundred times more complicated and costs 30$.
The worst thing a business can have is someone else’s source code, they want a product that works and support that goes with it.
Yep, that is why there is Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Without it, open source would never have been so successful.
Here’s the source code is a virtual ‘F*ck You letter’.
Yep, when Netscape died (which is another mess altogether, basically they tried to make money from it's web browser, then MS came in and made it's browser free, repeat for web servers), they made it open source as Mozilla. After that, Phoenix was started, which was then renamed to Firebird, then Firefox, which gained a lot of popularity and is now a very common browser.
Java as a fat client, puhlease! Java bloatware in the middle tier (you have to cluster because no single system will stay running very long). Java databases spare me.
Yep, the most common use for Java was Java applets in the browser. MS responded, BTW, with .NET.
Sure this is a bile filled screed, but based on my observations there is a lot of truth to it.
There are indeed a lot of truth in there, though it is quite gloomy indeed.
The Sun parts has some truth, but I need to do more research for me to say it is all true, and this is certainly not the place to debate many of thses.
Of course it is sick, NO ONE writes software for free. This is the big lie of open source.
Indeed, though it is not a complete lie, you are right that many open source programmers work at companies like OSDL and Red Hat.
The worst thing a business can have is someone else’s source code, they want a product that works and support that goes with it.
Yep, that is what Red Hat's, SUSE's and Cygnus's business model depends on.
Without it, open source would never have been so successful.
The Sun desktop is pathetic, even for free.
Which era? Because I know about Sun OpenDesktop, CDE and other failed attempts at a Unix desktop.
Sun after 25 years has nothing to show for its effort but carnage.
Sun nearly wrecked the mainframe business, did wreck the Vax business
These statement looks contradictory.
I pirated as a child and I continue to pirate as an adult, even though I make scads of money. Most software is poor and overpriced. BUT I do purchase, rarely, iff (if and only if):
* I have no other choice and the price is reasonable, or
* The software is great, the price is reasonable, there's a benefit to buying over pirating (such as updates), the developers seem great, the purchase process is easy, and I can pay them without a middleman getting a big chunk of it.
Those are a lot of criteria to meet, and that's the only way I'll pay. When I create software, I try to making it something that EVEN I would buy.
Regis on January 7, 2009 11:36 AMYou people should read some of the older virus phreaking magazines. There's a guy that wrote a C compiler that he then compiled a virus with. At runtime it decrypted one routine, called it, re-encrypted the routine at the return address, hashing the key with instructions interspersed with the real instructions of the routine before calling another routine.
Cracking a program that encrypts itself like that will take years. If the actual code of your program is encrypted on disk with changing keys, and there is never the full program decrypted in memory, you will be safe for weeks at the very least.
Also this sort of thing is exactly what TPM makes possible for unencrypted programs. Making a program that cannot - in any way - be started without contacting the home base first.
Tomcpp on January 8, 2009 8:38 AMIf you're going to include a protection then put some effort in it or if you buy the protection then include penalty terms if it breaks too soon.
When I buy protected software then find out it was already cracked (few days after release) I feel cheated because I paid money for something that didn't work! I should get some money back for paying for broken copy protection with the product, especially if the protection was from 3rd party protection company. There should be some kind of money back guarantee from the protection company that if their protection breaks in less than say 2 months then there's a penalty.
On the other hand, while protections can be made to last much longer (made infeasible to crack) if that only leads to further resrictions to buyers such as recently with game DRM with all kinds of limitations and possibly loss of ability to sell it used, then that's taking freedom away from legit user and such business should not be supported (EA).
So keep in mind, DRM licensing = BAD and different from normal copy protection, which *can* work but very few have even tried to implement properly.
dick on January 9, 2009 11:25 AMIt is true that we will never stop software piracy 100% but does that
mean we should give up.I agree that some people who use pirated software would never pay for it in first place.They will find it on private FTPs. On the other hand someone who is looking for cracked version and can not find it easily could end up buying legal copy.That is even more true for small companies in need of software for their business.So, if link to your cracked software is in google search results You should do something about that.In my opinion, that translates to real lost profit.
Sam Begic
www.dasintelligence.com
Internet monitoring and enforcement
You wouldn't steal a lawnmower from the John Deere dealership when you need to mow your lawn, would you?
Depends. Does the dealership have a magical lawnmower-copying machine that can produce an infinite number of lawnmowers at zero cost? No? Then I guess I wouldn't.
Folks, comparing copyright infringement to theft will only convince the people who are too stupid to see the difference between physical property (where every copy has its own materials and production cost) and information (where every copy after the first is basically free for everyone involved). You aren't that stupid yourselves; why do you want to treat your potential customers like they are?
Piracy is only a problem if you're stuck in the mindset of selling software like a mass-produced consumer good. But that's not what software is. The proper price for a copy is approximately zero, since that's what it costs to make a copy.
The proper place to collect your money is *up front*: demand to get paid for the service of *writing* the software in the first place. If all the programmers of the world banded together and said nuh-uh, we're not writing another line of code until you give us some money, they'd get it, because the demand is there for their services.
Do that and the business model will follow. When you start thinking about the infrastructure you'd need to support a business model where programmers (or musicians, or anyone else whose product is information) are paid up front, it might sound a little overwhelming: you need some way to bring producers and consumers together, coordinate payments and reputations, resolve disputes when the finished product isn't what people thought they were paying for, etc. But really, it's no less reasonable than the infrastructure we already have for today's business model: in the grand scheme of things, isn't it already pretty ridiculous to spend $millions on a way for a program to know whether it's running from a hard drive or a CD-ROM?
Jesse on January 14, 2009 5:38 AMI myself am an offender of this crime.
I don't have a lot of spendable income and therefore cannot buy every game I want to try, I will usually download a game to see how I like it, now these aren't games that I would buy if I had the money, but games I think I might like.
If I do end up liking it, I will buy it (finances allowing). It surprised me when you used World of Goo as the example because it is a game I couldn't get locally. I illegally pirated it, finished it and loved it. I only recently got a Mastercard. And with it I bought World of Goo off Steam.
I have downloaded and installed this copy legal copy, but I haven't run it once.
I won't pirate games I KNOW will be good (I will get some liking out of), right now I have a Collectors Edition of Dawn of War 2 reserved locally, and am waiting for the Starcraft 2 release date to be announced so I can get a Collectors of it.
Point is I would have never bought Portal or World of Goo without pirating them first. However, as I get older I hope to have a bigger income, and more to spend on programmers, something I wish to be day.
I live in Australia and new games are ~$100 here, Australia also (evidently) has one of the lowest software piracy rates in the world. I don't get why we pay double to triple what Americans pay (during exchange rates variances) and we don't pirate games as much, why our new game prices haven't fallen. You do good by you, We do good by you?
Though through 2008 there have been some notable exceptions, Spore was released (at least at one store locally) at $80 and so have some others.
Jesse on January 14, 2009 05:38 PM:
Folks, comparing copyright infringement to theft will only convince
the people who are too stupid to see the difference between
physical property (where every copy has its own materials and
production cost) and information (where every copy after the first
is basically free for everyone involved). You aren't that stupid
yourselves; why do you want to treat your potential customers like
they are?
So the first customer pays $1 million and the rest get it free? Who gets to be first?
Regis on January 7, 2009 11:36 AM:
I pirated as a child and I continue to pirate as an adult, even
though I make scads of money. Most software is poor and overpriced.
I saw an empty house the other day that was priced at $200000. But it wasn't good enough for the price, so I'm just squatting instead. The fruit at the supermarket looked a little bruised, so I put it in my pocket instead of the shopping cart. I looked inside a book at the bookstore, but I didn't think it was very good, so I stole it.
Shall I go on?
mmyers on January 16, 2009 8:51 AMThe proper place to collect your money is *up front*: demand to get paid for the service of *writing* the software in the first place. If all the programmers of the world banded together and said nuh-uh, we're not writing another line of code until you give us some money, they'd get it, because the demand is there for their services.
Do that and the business model will follow.
Yep, that kind of business model is already very common. Consultants commonly use this business model.
Way too many torrents offering Wiiware World Of Goo lately. It's like offer me a different game for Christ's sake!!
spen on January 26, 2009 11:36 AMI like many other posters believe that there has to be some kind of middle ground between software makers and users. For example, when I first got on the Internet in '99, all the programs and files I downloaded came in zip format. Obviously, Windows 98 didn't have a built in zip utility. Also, FLOSS wasn't as available for Windows-based systems as it is now. So, like many users, I downloaded WinZip, used it for a while, then finally got tired of the nagging messages about it's usage, so I went online, found a serial and started my new life as a software pirate. Later on, it became games that were no longer available, little utilities for playing those games, and later on when I got an iMac, Surfer's Serials and pirated copies of Photoshop 5.0.
When I started having money, piracy became something I wanted to avoid. But software makers started creating activation schemes. This led me to hunting down cracks for activation for software I legally purchased.
Windows XP was awesome, and worth the purchase, but the activation and genuine advantage became a problems since I was constantly reinstalling my OS (every few months). After Microsoft stopped activation over the phone, I went back to pirating software, getting my hands on a volume license and CD.
I rarely pirated music because I always thought about the artists quitting, and also because I saw a CD as an archive where I could rip my MP3s that *I* controlled the quality of the rips.
Nowadays, even at 6 - 12 Mbps Internet, torrenting modern games isn't worth the time and effort it takes to acquire/crack/patch/repeat as it does to pay 20 bucks for the game, with the DVD and the state of mind that comes with a non pirated title (no rootkits, botnet apps, trojans, etc.)
Good software will always have a loyal following. Bad software... not so much.
NZB on February 3, 2009 8:55 AMIf games are the only software products consumers will buy themselves, and 90% of games are pirated, then it is hard to create your business around consumers.
On the other hand, corporate software means active selling by salesmen, unless the items are small, something like under 1000$. What do you have there? Google adwords, the Microsoft tax, and niche monopolies like Photoshop.
I would say that things would be much better if consumers bought more software directly, and the same goes to other intellectual property. But this is unlikely to happen in the near future, until all software is web-dependent and controllable.
-mika- on February 13, 2009 4:04 AMWould you rather have 90% of the copies of your game be pirated, and sell the other 10%; or have 0% piracy, and nobody buying it either?
What a dumb argument. This is what's known as a false dichotomy. So, tell me, NM, would you rather have your car stolen, or have your car stolen, your house burned down, and be sodomized? See? You should be happy that only your car was stolen. A false dichotomy is setting up two situations and pretending that they're the only two options.
I would say that things would be much better if consumers bought more software directly, and the same goes to other intellectual property. But this is unlikely to happen in the near future, until all software is web-dependent and controllable.
2moons dil on April 10, 2009 12:28 PMWell it seems there's two clear sides to this saga.
On the one hand we have the die hard software capitalists fresh from their Sony records DRM spat with the likes of George Michael and Prince, err, sorry, 'Symbol'. Who with their rather limited grasp of software that could be described as flacid at best, demand we all use rather archaic copy prevention and DRM systems requiring instant software activation with unwieldy long License Keys or flimsy dongles.
Then on the other there are the anti capitalists who, when they're not breaking shop windows at G2/7/20 etc meetings, are demanding that all software is free and no one should have to pay for it, just that they don't want to be the ones to develop the stuff as they're too busy hugging trees when they're not throwing bricks.
Of course we can't make software free, or rely on people paying what they think may be fair for it, as nobody would want to be the sap who pays up for what would be some rather poor quality and under funded bundle of bugs. At the same time we shouldn't have to suffer crappy DRM with dongles or license keys as long as your arm.
OK. enough's enough. What we have here is a great opportunity. Now we have the technology to let people have a decent trial period of a software title before they buy, and not have a bunch of hoops to jump through should they want it. Software that uses a FRIENDLY DRM service offering free trials and easy activation can be distributed at a fraction of the cost, ensuring everyone pays and that all that cash goes into improving it.
It seems clear to me that friendly DRM with free trials is the only way forward, and that any software company choosing otherwise is doomed to failure. There is already one use friendly DRM service out there (www.fingoo.net) and I'm sure there will be plenty more to follow. So lets all put down our bricks and our legal binders and relax knowing that eventually time and technology will save the day. And a few savvy users voting with our feet of course :oD
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