Meta Is Murder

July 13, 2009

Are you familiar with the term "meta"? It permeates many concepts in programming, from metadata to the <meta> tag. But since we're on a blog, let's use blogging to explain what meta means. If you've read this blog for any length of time you've probably heard me rant about the evil of blogging about blogging, a.k.a. meta-blogging. As I said in Thirteen Blog Cliches:

I find meta-blogging -- blogging about blogging -- incredibly boring. I said as much in a recent interview on a site that's all about blogging (hence the title, Daily Blog Tips). I wasn't trying to offend or shock; I was just being honest. Sites that contain nothing but tips on how to blog more effectively bore me to tears.

If you accept the premise that most of your readers are not bloggers, then it's highly likely they won't be amused, entertained, or informed by a continual stream of blog entries on the art of blogging. Even if they're filled with extra bloggy goodness.

Meta-blogging is like masturbating. Everyone does it, and there's nothing wrong with it. But writers who regularly get out a little to explore other topics will be healthier, happier, and ultimately more interesting to be around-- regardless of audience.

Triple-meta alert! That blog entry was me blogging about blogging about blogging. See? Painful. I told you.

Generally speaking, I am not a fan of the meta. It's seductive in a way that is subtly but deeply dangerous. It's far easier to introspect and write about the process of, say .. blogging .. than it is to think up, research, and write about an interesting new topic on your blog. Meta-work becomes a reflex, a habit, an addiction, and ultimately a replacement for real productive work. It's something I think everyone should watch out for, whatever walk of life or career you happen to have. In fact, I've come up with a zingy little catch phrase to help people remind themselves, and their coworkers, how toxic this stuff can be -- meta is murder.

meta-means-murder.jpg

Yes, you read that right. Murder. I mean it. If enough productive work is replaced by navelgazing meta-work, then people will be killed. Or at least, the community will be.

Joel Spolsky had a great example of how meta-discussion can kill community in our latest podcast.

Let's say that you become a podcaster, so you get really interested in podcasting gear. You're going to buy some mixers, and want to know what kind of headphones to use, what kinds of microphones, when should I do the A/D conversions, all that kind of stuff.

So you find this awesome podcasting gear website. And you go on there, and the first subject of conversation is who's going to be elected to the podcasting gear website board of directors. And the second subject of conversation is whether the election that was done last year was orthodox, or was it slightly ... was there something suspicious about that whole thing. And you find a whole bunch of people arguing about that. And then you find a conversation about whether all the people who came in last year from South America and don't speak very good English should be allowed to hang around or should maybe be read-only users for the first six months.

That's all you find there, and you want to talk about mixers and mics. That's why you came to this site!

But they're bored talking about mixers and mics -- they've already had the full mixers and mics conversation all the way to the end, to its logical extreme. They all have, now, the perfect podcasting setup. Except for there's this one minor little thing about whether you should use Monster Cables that people still argue about.

So all they're talking about on this so-called "podcasting gear" website is the podcasting gear website itself.

If you don't control it, meta-discussion, like weeds run amok in a garden, will choke out a substantial part of the normal, natural growth of a healthy community.

The danger and peril of meta has been known for years. We had Josh Millard, a MetaFilter moderator, as a guest on the podcast last year. He described how quickly MetaFilter realized that meta-discussion, if not controlled, can destroy a community:

Millard: Matt set up MetaTalk sometime like 8 months after he started [MetaFilter], right about the beginning of 2000, because people were talking about MetaFilter on the front page. It's natural enough. People would say, hey what's with this, hey look at the post, hey this guy's a jerk. So he started up MetaTalk and directed stuff that was metacommentary to that part of the site. You could delete something and say, hey take it over there. If people wanted to have an extended argument that was derailing a thread, they could do it there.

A lot of people cite MetaTalk as a reason that MetaFilter works. If you talk to a regular from the site they'll tell you MetaTalk is key to the success of the site because it's a sort of release valve. Talk pages on Wikipedia are a similar thing. I had the same experience as you the first time I checked those out -- it's not necessarily comprehensible to the casual user what is going on there. But for the people who are regulars, the people who develop a certain amount of passionate attachment to the sites, or really, really need to make their voice heard out of day one beyond just normal participation, you have this safe place you can let people ... let their freak flag fly, as it were, without damaging the core function of the site. You don't have big messes on the front page.

So there's a pretty strong culture of regulars who hang out on MetaTalk. Insofar as you have the big contributors and the serious regulars at any given site that make up the core of the community, there's a strong correlation between those people and the people who actually spend time on MetaTalk dealing with policy stuff and talking about user issues.

Atwood: Right. I totally get that. This is one of the things about designing social software -- you don't really understand it until you've lived through it. For the longest time I couldn't understand why people couldn't respect the rule we had to not discuss this meta stuff on the site itself. I totally get this now.

We've dealt with our meta problem on Stack Overflow, finally. OK, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming to finally do what I should have done months ago, but what else is new?

Anyway, my point is that meta isn't just a social software problem. Meta is a social problem, period. It's applicable to everything you do in life.

Meta is Murder: at some level, meta-discussion cuts into time you could be using to, y'know, BUILD STUFF and SOLVE PROBLEMS.

Software developers are known for their introspection, and a certain amount of meta is healthy. It qualifies as sharpening the saw -- mindfulness of what you're doing, and how it can be improved. But it's amazing how rapidly that can devolve into a crutch, a sort of methadone for Getting Things Donetm.

So sure, get meta when it makes sense to. But do be aware of what percentage of the time you're spending on meta. And consider: how is progress made in the world? By sitting around and debating the process of how things are done ad nauseam? Or by, y'know … doing stuff?

Allocate your time accordingly.

Posted by Jeff Atwood
136 Comments

Slow day I guess....nothing to see here move on

Donny V on July 14, 2009 2:00 AM

I can't tell whether this post was *meant* to be ironic, or not.

Greg Hewgill on July 14, 2009 2:53 AM

Jeff,
two comments:
1. the process is important, specialy when the rules are unknown and you have to coordinate effort. it has value in onlince communities because you need a place to hear people on how to do things.
2. people left unguided prefer to talk about people, so any place without guidance will become a discussion about the people themself.

Blog on system engineering:
http://design-to-last.com

daniel on July 14, 2009 3:52 AM

two words: politics

snapster on July 14, 2009 4:07 AM

I cannot agree more strongly with Jeff!

That Man on July 14, 2009 4:12 AM

I haven't read your blog so I can't comment on it. But I think this comment system is really great, although it is sometimes difficult to read the captcha. Just thought, I'd let you know.

Daniel Lehmann on July 14, 2009 4:13 AM

License plates... http://www.flickr.com/photos/3e/2622942332/

Daniel Drucker on July 14, 2009 4:27 AM

I agree that it can destroy a community. Any sort of internet forum typically suffers from this, too. You can either silence it (by banning folks and closing threads),confine it(akin to something awful's many meta subforums), or let it ride. But in the case of SA, it is a Very Good Thing since most other internet niche forums do not cater to "survival of the fittest" mentality, even though actual public discourse sways towards those that are most articulate, well-read, and with well thought out opinions. On the internet, ANY nobody can post whatever, which becomes mayhem.

Mike Judge on July 14, 2009 5:01 AM

"Anything you can do I can do meta."

J. Peterson on July 14, 2009 5:06 AM

Agh! Cleartype-enabled screencap! My eyes!!!

Atario on July 14, 2009 5:13 AM

"And consider: how is progress made in the world? By sitting around and debating the process of how things are done ad nauseam? Or by, y'know ... doing stuff?"

That's easy. There would have been very little progress in the world without debating and understanding processes, before doing stuff. Do you think we got to the moon because people just decided to do stuff, or was there a huge amount of debating how things should be done before hand?

Of course, you do then have to do stuff, and you are trying to set up a false dichotomy with the use of the word “or”. But doing stuff without discussing how to do it, or asking yourself why you do it, can be the real impediment to progress.

Phenwoods on July 14, 2009 5:18 AM

Jeff,
With all respect, this is the worst I've seen on your blog. There was no content in this post at all, I feel like you've wasted my time in posting this. Please, if you don't have anything good to post, just don't post.

-Jarrod

Jarrod N on July 14, 2009 5:40 AM

I guess you think things like generics and templates are murder as well?

TraumaPony on July 14, 2009 6:00 AM

I think he's found a subject about which it is guaranteed that just about every post agrees with him, one way or another.

Ens on July 14, 2009 6:15 AM

I'm blogging about you blogging about you blogging about blogging right now!

Someone please blog about me blogging about Jeff blogging about Jeff blogging about blogging please and the world will be a better place!

Captcha: Elleen vitiated (wha?)

Eugene on July 14, 2009 6:19 AM

I'm about one post away from deleting this RSS feed.

Casey on July 14, 2009 6:26 AM

Am I the only one who felt the not so subtle reference to Meat is Murder by The Smiths? Was it intentional?

alvrod on July 14, 2009 7:14 AM

"I'm about one post away from deleting this RSS feed." - Casey

That about sums it up.

Cole on July 14, 2009 7:49 AM

Jeff, I ccan't believe you missed the awesome pun:

a sort of METAdone for Getting Things Done.

Darryn on July 14, 2009 8:00 AM

Thank you for a very insightful article, it's a very interesting concept that explains the death of quite a few communities on the internet.

Evan Travers on July 14, 2009 8:45 AM

So a meta post condemning meta is ok? Seems you've found either a paradox or a flaw in your logic. You wrote this post which means you condone an anti-meta post which is in fact meta. So you think there is some value to a meta post or at least a certain type.

Dinah on July 14, 2009 9:52 AM

"Allocate your time accordingly."

Jeff Atwood on July 14, 2009 9:54 AM

Hey what's your problem? This is a free market econonmy, thus we should be all pimping ho's

usa_pride on July 14, 2009 9:56 AM

@Dinah Welcome to the incompleteness theorem.

Hank on July 14, 2009 10:00 AM

So, "meta is murder", but "a certain amount of meta is healthy". How do you feel about metaphors?

Phenwoods on July 14, 2009 10:04 AM

@Hank: Indeed. I studied a few things along these lines but not this specifically. Thanks for providing the correct name so I can read up on it. I knew the concept but didn't know what to call it until now.

Dinah on July 14, 2009 10:06 AM

Sorry, I have to say this: OMFG!

Here we are (me included) meta-discussing a meta-meta-meta-post and not only that meta-discussing each other's comments! That's like at least 5 metas.

@Phenwoods: I prefer my phors direct, thank you very much.

Dennis on July 14, 2009 10:11 AM

>> So, "meta is murder", but "a certain amount of meta is healthy". How do you feel about metaphor?

Q: What's a metaphor?

A: To keep cows in.

Dave Brosius on July 14, 2009 10:12 AM

Oh no, not again. For someone who doesn't like meta, you certainly go on about it enough, Jeff. Zzz.

Nick on July 14, 2009 10:15 AM

Meta is the greek word for after and by. Meatah, means yur Amrican

I went to school on July 14, 2009 10:18 AM

You are right, I'm incredibly bored right now.

Hoffmann on July 14, 2009 10:19 AM

Meta is so annoying I didn't even finish reading this blog post about blogging about blogging!

Jeff on July 14, 2009 10:30 AM

So did you enjoy your masturbation? Incidentally this was also the point I got bored and stopped reading.

James on July 14, 2009 10:33 AM

Metaphors are rubbish!

Bill P. Godfrey on July 14, 2009 10:34 AM

Meta is super fascinating and dangerous at the same time.

Piotr Dobrogost on July 14, 2009 10:37 AM

What else is new? :) Your entire blog can be considered meta - the time you spend writing and I spend reading is obviously time both of us instead could have spent doing.

I don't disagree that meta is seductive - it's easier and more entertaining to discuss programming concepts than to fix bugs, and discussing policies have the added advantage that you don't need to know anything in particular to have an opinion.

But I do disagree that meta is murder. I think meta is more like Vitamin D: Necessary for proper functioning, but toxic in too large doses. So the interesting discussion is presumably "how much is too much"?

mephistopheles on July 14, 2009 10:40 AM

What about metaprogramming then? I actually read this blog because it is somehow connected to the topic programming..

code monkey on July 14, 2009 10:42 AM

This is a great post (well mostly, it quotes some other great commentary, but still).

This pretty much puts in to words a subtle decline that I have been noticing for about a year or so on a forum that I visit regularly.

After reading Millard's explanation it IMMEDIATELY became clear that he is correct: I've been witnessing it first hand.

TM on July 14, 2009 10:45 AM

It's kind of like when your favorite band hits that point where all they do is write songs about how tough it is to be on the road. Yeah, I'm sure it sucks, but I can't relate so much.

Keith Peters on July 14, 2009 10:47 AM

On a slightly different level, I fall into this trap when writing software. Instead of writing the software I set out to write, I decide the task would be easier if there were a tool or utility to help me implement feature X. So I start out writing that utility. And then that utility would be so much easier to write if...

Mike Houston on July 14, 2009 10:52 AM

I can't believe how much people are groaning about the meta in this post. Jeff actually says something good on the subject, and releases the news about meta.stackoverflow.com, which is an actual news item worthy of post. I think Jeff's doing a great job.

Get over yourselves, people. This sentence is false.

Seriously Guys on July 14, 2009 10:58 AM

void Foo()
{
cout "Hello World!";
}

JM on July 14, 2009 11:03 AM

Hum, build something... That's a great idea

Khan V on July 14, 2009 11:04 AM

You realize you're meta-meta-blogging here?

Jimbo on July 14, 2009 11:10 AM

Meta is an important part of my "artistic BS" meter. If it's a play about a playwright or actor, a film about a film maker of any kind, a song about music, and so forth, my standards for how good it must be to be not complete BS goes way up. There are exceptions (e.g. Johnny B Goode), but the rule does a lot to clear a lot of bad art out of the list of things to experience.

ThatGuy on July 14, 2009 11:12 AM

Meta programming is awesome.

Harry M on July 14, 2009 11:12 AM

Meta (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaldehyde) is simply wonderful. Since I started using it on my flower beds I have had no trouble with slugs and snails. This should be in every gardeners shed!

:-)

Jo on July 14, 2009 11:12 AM

"Joel Spolsky had a great example of how meta-discussion can kill community in our latest podcast. ... And you go on there, and the first subject of conversation is who's going to be elected to the podcasting gear website board of directors. And the second subject of conversation is whether the election that was done last year was orthodox, or was it slightly ... was there something suspicious about that whole thing."

That was the same podcast where you discussed, at some length, the the best way to have a vote on what logo to use for your next website, wasn't it?

Phenwoods on July 14, 2009 11:13 AM

Meta (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaldehyde) is simply wonderful. Since I started using it on my flower beds I have had no trouble with slugs and snails. This should be in every gardeners shed!

:-)

Jo on July 14, 2009 11:13 AM

"Triple-meta alert! That blog entry was me blogging about blogging about blogging. See? Painful. I told you."

Meta about meta about meta about meta, I can break the chain for you since this is a comment.

John Sonmez on July 14, 2009 11:14 AM

I love metaprogramming.

Tom on July 14, 2009 11:15 AM

I agree with your message: meta is ok, but should be killed (as in dealt with) immediately. Some people want Stackoverflow to be some sort of canonical programming tutorial, for example, and that's not what it is.

I do have to say though that Jeff didn't need to reiterate this with a post. Slow week?

Steve on July 14, 2009 11:28 AM

Many of your podcasts have touched on meta-discussions. The last one really talked about it. This really supports the idea that you get the most of what you focus on.

Tone on July 14, 2009 11:38 AM

I was expecting more methadone / meta no done jokes...

SDD on July 14, 2009 11:41 AM

honestly, who cares

Apathetic on July 14, 2009 11:42 AM

This post is meta^2, meta about meta.

Rick Minerich on July 14, 2009 11:49 AM

Really this boils down to "I'm bored by stuff that doesn't interest me". When it's meta you don't care about, it's annoying meta. Surprising.

What's worse than top 40 music? People talking about how bad top 40 music is.

The example Joel gives is a bit weak, given that meta only takes over when there's nothing left to talk about. So the alternative wouldn't have been a vibrant community talking about podcasting gear, but instead it would be crickets and an abandoned site.

AscendingMonkey on July 14, 2009 11:53 AM

Problem with Wikipedia is that it gets too meta about itself. It should just be a simple process of clicking a link and editing whatever you want. But in order to keep the project sane, and not destroy what someone else has spent hours perfecting, the logged-out edit page boilerplate is longer than the content itself. With rules about moving, images, inline citations, and proper capitalization it's hard for someone to just come in and make the mid-sized corrections they'd like to.

Adam K on July 14, 2009 11:57 AM

Jeff,

when you write something like this (now and again), do us a favor:

Ctrl+A
Delete

Or just reboot.

I can see a post about Agile smartiness coming.

securityhorror on July 14, 2009 11:58 AM

P.S. I should know; I'm an administrator.

Adam K on July 14, 2009 11:58 AM

What about those for whom their line-of-business is metaprogramming? Resharper and Codesmith come to mind.

Chris McCall on July 14, 2009 12:05 PM

"And consider: how is progress made in the world? By sitting around and debating the process of how things are done ad nauseam? Or by, y'know ... doing stuff?"

Have to disagree.

Talking about how or why to do something in the context of engineering is given a special term: Design

Only the lonely who have garage projects have the freedom to do what they choose when they choose it. The rest of us work in teams and act accordingly.

teamster on July 14, 2009 12:21 PM

alvrod,

"Am I the only one who felt the not so subtle reference to Meat is Murder by The Smiths? Was it intentional?"

Don't know about The Smiths, but didn't you see the knife and the fork below the skull? If you look closer you'll see by their angles that the T and the A were exchanged. And if you imagegoogle for "meat is murder", you can find the original. "Subtle" is something else..

Now that we talked about Jeff manipulating images for his blog post, what was the topic of
this post?

Secure on July 14, 2009 12:24 PM

However, glad to hear that there's going to be some sort of meta-SO so that all these subjective things don't clutter up SO questions.

teamster on July 14, 2009 12:24 PM

"let their freak flag fly"

I see someone liked Shrek: The Musical? :-)

Anthony Giorgio on July 14, 2009 12:29 PM

Metadiscussions are a real problem in discussion sites, because people are talking about themselves and others instead of the subject at hand. They could create new threads, but instead usually they hijack the current thread.

But I think there should be plenty enough discussion about software development processes in addition to plain doing stuff. Processes are essential part of doing work, so there is nothing wrong about talking about processes itself, too. Sure discussions should have their time and place, because also the real work should get done, but that doesn't mean that all meta is evil.

Silvercode on July 14, 2009 12:44 PM

Recursion alert: (at sentence) "Triple Alert:..."

Lakshman on July 14, 2009 12:49 PM

Meta! XML! Meta! MXML! SXML! FUXML! META!

Mac on July 14, 2009 12:52 PM

Got a reply for you:

http://daddywarbox.stumbleupon.com/review/34396304/

DW on July 14, 2009 12:56 PM

hmm, ive neverly truely understood what meta means, still dont.

Captcha: Hormones party, reminds me of the teenage years

Petey B on July 14, 2009 1:32 PM

You start about talking about talking about talking about blogging. and end with spend your time accordinglly. Isn't this post the mother of meta posts?

Then again, I could always blog about it and get a meta-meta-meta-meta-blog-post. I hope I counted that correctlly. On that note, please updated the post with any pingback so that we may know how much meta there is on this one.

Thats an idea for a new site, instead of digit or other sites for promoting web-content. A site that ranks the meta level of content.

I'll stop now, have a good day.

Morten on July 14, 2009 1:48 PM

Thanks for wasting 5 minutes of my life.

RS on July 14, 2009 1:49 PM

I'd rather write a program that writes programs. That blog...

This reminds me of the discussions of recursiveness in _Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid_ by Douglas R. Hofstadter. Music, art, and incompleteness. A great read.

Chris The Chris [The Chris...] on July 14, 2009 1:55 PM

Headache.

T.I. on July 14, 2009 1:55 PM

My last blog was about how I had to hack WordPress so I could use Windows Live Writer without disabling a plugin. But I provided some excellent information on how to troubleshoot the problem.

Robert S. Robbins on July 14, 2009 1:58 PM

Observation: people do not read comments and so repetitive comments increase and then even lesser people read comments and then more repetitive comments ......
Vicious Comment Circle!
Someone's gotta get a clever "string similarity" bunch of code and apply it to popular blogs like this one and make a friggin Firefox extension so that most of the junk you anyway do not read is kept put of view - like Slashdot - just that you should be able to mod it as
"+5 Duplicate"

wisecrack on July 15, 2009 2:52 AM

I can't believe nobody mentioned this: Smiths++

Jonathan on July 15, 2009 2:56 AM

Here and I thought it was going to be a post on meta-programming.

taelor on July 15, 2009 4:39 AM

Oh NOW I get it... the true "coding horror" has been Jeff all along!

This site has been a blatant parody of true tech writing for quite some time, but enough is enough. There's not enough time in the day any more to appreciate the single shallow level that these posts cover.

Unsubscribing and never looking back....

alex dante on July 15, 2009 4:41 AM

Here's a different take on meta. Remember how Al Swearingen and Wu made elaborate plans using drawings of stick figures? They got stuff done, because their brains had to be constrained to communicating the essential. Here's a post that develops this concept.

David Robbins on July 15, 2009 6:08 AM

I think I'm about to lose my mind with all the levels of meta being discussed. It's starting to feel like that scene in Being John Malkovich where John Malkovich gets in the portal to his own brain.

Andrew on July 15, 2009 6:27 AM

For someone who is so against blogging about blogging you sure do it A LOT.

Billkamm on July 15, 2009 6:45 AM

Seems to me that the infinite layers of meta and the level crossing between them is the essence of intelligence. Building software is also a task of tackling the meta as we continue to build more and more layers of abstraction. However, perhaps the concept of social meta is indeed a buzz kill.

Tim Clem on July 15, 2009 7:27 AM

Are all comments meta?

We're all murderers!

:O

Practicality on July 15, 2009 7:30 AM

I just spent 10 minutes looking for a "META IS MURDER" T-shirt before I realized that you had modified a "MEAT IS MURDER" one. D'oh.

I think a good META IS MURDER shirt would sell pretty well, incidentally. I'm an academic and META IS MURDER there as well (there is a good deal of talking about talking about talking, and there are quite a few of us who find that to be a bit unproductive).

Make it! Sell it to me! Come on, capitalism, do that thang!

Shmork on July 15, 2009 7:50 AM

...and, if I can say so, there is no community that illustrates the dangers of excessive meta-discussion than Wikipedia, where meta-discussion and meta-bureaucracy can, at any given time, threaten the productivity of the entire enterprise (and drive many a hard-working content producer away).

Obviously, SOME meta-discussion can be useful. A little bit of reflexivity sharpens the craft and allows one to come to terms with the means of production. Not inherently a bad thing, *if done in the spirit of actually facilitating further production.* Which unfortunately is more often *not* the end result.

(On a more "meta" point—the ReCAPTCHA bit fails to show up a good portion of the time on Safari 4 for me. "Can't find host" error. Means I am locked out of posting a comment a good portion of the time. Lots of reloading to try and get it work. Time ticks by. Kind of sucks. Just sayin'.)

Shmork on July 15, 2009 7:57 AM

"Triple-meta alert! That blog entry was me blogging about blogging about blogging."

If blogging about blogging is meta, then blogging about that is double-meta, not triple meta.

*This* is triple meta :-)

DanP on July 15, 2009 8:03 AM

How many people have had to attend meetings about meetings before. Meta discussions take that into the digital/typed in format. The only problem is with speaking out loud most can tell when they're boring everyone else. On discussion pages that's not the case and making a point can take 5x longer.

Chris on July 15, 2009 8:54 AM

I think thinking about Hofstadter is great.

Mike Miller on July 15, 2009 10:31 AM

Yo, dawg, I heard you like blogging. So we made a blog about blogging so you can blog while you blog.... ¬¬

X-bit on July 15, 2009 11:00 AM

Just wanted to say - love your blog posts and have been following "silently" for a couple of years. I love the practicality. Even this "meta" one is inherently practical: the message is - "do stuff; don't unnecessarily talk about doing stuff". (Some of my workplaces would benefit from such a message. LOL). Keep up the good work.

Elizabeth on July 15, 2009 11:37 AM

Good article :P

I like the example about the podcast website... Similarly:
When I surf for programming stuff, finally find a forum thread that seems to be exactly my problem: you have the local forum whore who immediately steps in to say something like "you posted in the wrong section!"... Yea, well not everyone has time to hang around the forum all day for fun's sake... Then the conversation becomes an argument about the validity or placement of the topic.
Then you have to quickly read threw a dozen posts about writing without typos or posting in the right forum section, or why the topic starter is even asking such a question; you end up with nothing but 5 minutes wasted...

NNM on July 15, 2009 11:50 AM

Like Darryn, I also spotted 'metadone', although I disagree that it's a good pun, because in the context of "Getting Things Metadone", it's pronounced too differently from 'methadone'.

Still, can it really just be a coincidence that 'metadone' and 'methadone' differ by only one letter? (Actually, I think it can.)

Frank Wales on July 15, 2009 1:22 PM

What the hell is 'social' software? Like social hardware such as a handgun?

Your article sounds like management meetings about management meetings. Bureaucracy loves meta!

Sam on July 15, 2009 1:49 PM

I thought this was going to be about the ridiculous amount of meta data Vis Studio generates, you know this being a programming blog; but no, just some complaining about other people's blogs.

Dale on July 16, 2009 3:03 AM

Did you just blog about blogging about blogging about blogging? i think you did... I'm going to go and sit down...

Max on July 16, 2009 3:18 AM

It's all about meth.

your mum on July 16, 2009 5:29 AM

@wisecrack: I was gonna comment about meta-comments myself but decided to do find-in-page if others posted about meta-comments, kinda proving your point :P

Leaf on July 16, 2009 8:47 AM

@alex dante:

I clap for your final recognition. I cry for your lack of ability to get something out of his posts and the responses they bring. I personally love coding horror. For his "insights" and his commenters "insights."

Good day to you sir.

Captcha: "onism hoffmann" onism?

dirtmcgirt on July 16, 2009 10:08 AM

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