I've spent a significant part of my life online. Not just on the internet, I mean, but on modems and early, primitive online communities. Today's internet is everything we couldn't have possibly dared to imagine twenty-five years ago, but there is a real risk of these early, tentative digital artifacts -- and for some, the beginnings of our Hacker Odyssey -- being lost forever in the relentless deluge of online progress. Sure, every single thing that happened in 2004 is documented exhaustively online. But 1994? 1984? Not so much.
That's where Jason Scott comes in.
You may know Jason Scott from BBS The Documentary. Or, perhaps you're familiar with textfiles.com, his massive (and growing) archive of what passed for blogs and forums in the earliest online era.
A wonderful thing happened in the 1980s: Life started to go online. And as the world continues this trend, everyone finding themselves drawn online should know what happened before, to see where it all really started to come together and to know what went on, before it's forgotten.When a historian or reporter tries to capture the feelings and themes that proliferated through the BBS Scene of the early 1980's, the reader nearly always experiences a mere glimpse of what went on. This is probably true of most any third-party reporting, but when the culture is your own, and when the experiences were your own, the gap between story and reality is that much wider, and it's that much harder to sit back and let the cliche-filled summary become "The Way It Was." You want to do something, anything so that the people who stumble onto the part of history that was yours know what it was like to grow up through it, to meet the people you did, to do the things you enjoyed doing. Maybe, you hope, they might even see the broader picture and the conclusions that you yourself couldn't see at the time. This is history the way the chronicled want it to be.
Jason is nothing less than our generation's digital historian in residence. When GeoCities went permanently offline a week ago, he was there to help preserve it for posterity.
BBS: The Documentary was a major milestone in his ongoing effort to document our digital pre-history. But it's only the beginning; there's also a huge documentary on text adventures, Get Lamp, that's been in the works for a few years now. Unfortunately, progress has been slow. Because while being a digital historian is great, it's not exactly something you get paid to do.
But maybe we can change that. Witness Jason's kickstarter proposal:
Throughout all this, I had a day job - computer administration. It paid well, but I paid for it with my health. When my most recent employer and I parted ways, I decided I'd take this time finish some of the bigger projects I've been working on.I suddenly thought back to Kickstarter and got this crazy idea - what if I simply asked the world and fans to contribute a bit of money towards keeping me somewhat solvent, and give me the opportunity to go full-time with computer history? If I was able to get all these things done over the years, what if I just asked people to subscribe or give me some patronage and in return I fill their free time with cool stuff to look at, learn from, and enjoy?
There are so many people whose online presences I greatly admire. But very few of them will go on to become part of the permanent written history of this era. I have no doubt whatsoever that Jason Scott is one of those people who will, thanks to his tireless efforts to preserve the flotsam and jetsam of our digital past, stuff that would otherwise be overlooked by the mainstream and lost forever.
I've pledged $100. It is an honor to support his ongoing work of preserving our shared digital pre-history. His history, is my history, is our history. A history of geeks, dorks, dweebs, nerds, and generally computer-obsessed misfits, but nonetheless -- it's something we all share.
If this is something you believe in, I urge you to pledge as well.
Wish I still had my custom SXL graphics art made on Digital GiGi terminals circa 1986... a rosebird and a black panther.
Even saw the panther in an Xterminal advertisement years later.
Stored that stuff on 9track tape, but never got around to extracting it when I had the chance during my first job out of college.
(Of course 9track was dated even then).
@Phil
FidoNet? What a blast from the past. I recently fired up Silly Little Mail Reader on an old DOS machine and read some old .QWK mail packets!
It's not just Geocities, but it's the varied and multitudinous forums that fail by the wayside, taking all the comments with them into the /dev/null bucket in the ether-sky.
I know Google has those forums in its cache but how do we extract them?
idknow on November 5, 2009 5:35 AMHey Now Jeff,
History is important!
Coding H0rr0r & S0 Fan,
Catto
Catto on November 5, 2009 5:36 AMI'm surprised that Google hasn't launched a similar project to maintain our digital history.
Google seem great at finding information, but aren't really about archiving it.
Peter Bridger on November 5, 2009 5:40 AMWell, that's our job -- to feed Google. Now, to feed it junk food or a healthy diet?
Jeff Atwood on November 5, 2009 5:43 AMLast time I checked, archive.org was here to preserve the history of the web. I even hear they were trying to archive as much of Geocities as they could before it went offline.
R. Bemrose on November 5, 2009 6:11 AMGoogle can't do everything. They are pretty good at what they do (and they did save the deja news archives back in the day), but you can't expect them to take on every task.
And all of you - give Jason some money. Whatever he accomplishes during the time in question should be amazing, amusing, or both. And if you don't already have a copy, buy a copy of the BBS Documentary. It's REALLY something.
Michael Kohne on November 5, 2009 6:11 AMI would think that grants would also be available. Perhaps the Library of Conress, Smithsonian, Boston Computer Society, Google, Bill Gates, etc.
Matthew Kane on November 5, 2009 6:29 AMFinally another "Hey Now Jeff" from Catto :)))))
Andrei Rinea on November 5, 2009 6:31 AMThere were at least five groups trying to archive geocities, operating more-or-less independently and using different techniques to access as many of the files as possible through Yahoo's bandwidth limitations etc. They all have a different subset, and are now working on merging the projects.
http://reocities.com/newhome/makingof.html
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1961
http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Geocities_FAQ
sep332 on November 5, 2009 6:44 AMPast data is overrated.
Even though it's helpful to preserve some overview of the history, it usually doesn't make sense to preserve everything.
It's useful to forget not very useful information. Huge amount of data is constantly generated most of which is getting obsolete, so we need to preserve only the most useful pieces of history.
Might be time to dig out my Fidonet netmail backups from the early 90s. There be gold in them thar hills!
Phil on November 5, 2009 7:13 AM@Dennis Gorelik: I generally agree, but then you find there are a great deal of people we think are significant now but during their own time would have been among the discarded. We may not be in a position to judge what is and what is not worth keeping.
Dinah on November 5, 2009 7:18 AM"our generation's digital historian in residence"
I think you might be showing your age there a tad. What's a BBS?
wds on November 5, 2009 7:54 AMYeah I went to top 100 text files on Jason's site, 5 of them had information that did not entice me. Some things were so outdated that Google could not throw an exact search match. In short totally irrelevant and useless information.
But wait then I saw some place 1.2 inches HDD floppy disks, and I remembered my school days where we had PCs which supported double density and some supported single density drives. Those were the days when I had 5 different versions of DOS on different floppy types for different PCs. I was the then "OS" Guru who could boot up any PC without Teacher's support (age 13).
I remembered everything, and now I understand why Jeff is right !!
@Dinah: There is always some risk to lose valuable information when forgetting something. The trick is to forget information which is more likely to be useless.
Keep in mind that without forgetting we would drawn in the pile of useless info. It's not only about spending resources to preserve the information, it's also about spending resources to re-read and re-think that old (and often useless) information.
It seems that the flow of Codding Horror comments is much lighter now.
Could it be caused by previous self-promotion post ("our outrageously low promotional pricing of $29 for a 3 year filing")?
Too bad I'm a student, otherwise I'd really donate some money for the cause. I'm still looking for an archived version of some of the FidoNet echos, because Google's archive is way too incomplete. Thank you all for supporting.
Hey, where is the original captcha? :(
Michael on November 5, 2009 8:19 AM@Dennis - I would think that two blog post in a row asking to give up your money would have something to do with it. What happened to the cool tech and programming posts Jeff?
Scott on November 5, 2009 8:21 AMGood job Jeff - I urge anyone who can to donate a few bucks to Jason, his work is really important in this world of corporate cynicism! And do buy the BBS Documentary :)
Stian on November 5, 2009 8:24 AMI've noticed a couple of common themes in the comments that should be addressed. Folks are correct in the fact that preserving everything isn't always worth it. There are many buildings that should be torn down and replaced with something good, Penn Station and MSG in NYC come to mind. However, it's often difficult to know what is good and what is crap, that's why we need skilled people -- otherwise we end up tearing down good buildings, like the old Union Station in NYC or the failed effort to tear down Grand Central.
Some folks say, okay, but Google collects everything. That's kinda true. Google collects what has been around since Google has existed. Jason is going further back than that. Furthermore, even if Google collected it all, we need someone to go through and find the good stuff in the sea of crap. That's where historians come in. Unfortunately, when digital items disappear they often leave no trace, making Jason's task even harder.
So yes, a lot of it is crap. And yes, Google collects a lot of this information. But what Jason is proposing is a whole lot cooler than just collecting crap that Google already has. For that, he deserves some support.
Patrick on November 5, 2009 8:35 AMThe CIA probably has your digital history archived and marked classified.
Robert S. Robbins on November 5, 2009 8:49 AMI remember fondly my 300 baud modem and contributing to thread stories and such. The most important thing though historically is preserving the billions upon billions of Windows problem questions and arguments threads on all these systems. It is important that while we may forgive MS for all the pain, we must never forget it...
PlanetaryGear on November 5, 2009 9:03 AMYou guys sure are old. No basic for my generation thank you.
Hoffmann on November 5, 2009 9:04 AM@Hoffman: are you forgetting VB.Net?
sep332 on November 5, 2009 9:15 AMAwesome! Some really helpful information in there. Bookmarked. Excellent source.
online appointment scheduler on November 5, 2009 9:26 AMWait, isnt the web archive project, aka the way back machine, about the same thing? http://www.archive.org/index.php
Ritesh on November 5, 2009 9:47 AM@Past data is overrated.
Data from the early internet is generally more useful, to be on the net in the early 90s meant you were in a university or pretty technical and had something to publish - not twittering ever movement on facebook.
Checking my bookmarks there is a site explaining everything you need to know about map conversions (Airy36->WGS84 etc) that was geocities.
mgb on November 5, 2009 10:30 AMI had already pledged $75, but I've now adjusted my pledge to match Jeff's. Thank you for bringing this to the attention of (I assume ;-)) a wider audience.
odd parity on November 6, 2009 1:14 AMHow about $33 to give someone sight?
http://www.cbmcanada.org/100000miracles
Chris on November 6, 2009 1:38 AMI have a personal example of why archiving of past items is VERY important. There was this quote from Wilhelm Weber back in 1834, and I loved it, but I can't find it now because I forgot the exact words.
It's something like this:
Imagine a future when all the world will be connected with railroads and motor roads criss crossing all the continents and wires will connect all people to everyone, like thoughts are linked in a human brain.
It's 2009, Weber's idea is still not implemented. :-D
And now I've spent abuot 2-3 hours looking for it - googling - (that's a lot, ok?) and still no luck.
However, you see Kevin Kelly's talk on how the web has now got enough nodes and conncetions to match one single human brain.
Then the Weber quote hits you. 1834-2009 implementation of a simple idea. So that's a quote fit to stay for millenia.
But where's it now? I can't find it.
Then there's ordinary folks out there on "ideas sites" that come up with real gems. You wonder why no one listens to them. Corporations and Govts decide the implementation. But the idea can change an age, not only a century or a country. Or it could help your local neighbourhood network of gamers.
It's all there and we dont know it. That's just one of the motivations of "store-it-all".
There is, of course, an entire discipline of professional historians of computing. They have conferences, write books, etc. Some are actually pretty good!
Shmork on November 6, 2009 3:50 AMWill all you guys that are donating also please send some money my way? I cant be bothered getting a job either, and I'd love to actually earn *more* money for sitting around and doing my hobby.
Next thing you know the wikipedia authors will be asking for money, and then the linux coders. You know, the people that enjoy doing stuff for a larger community because - well - they enjoy it.
Scandalous on November 6, 2009 4:55 AM@Scandalous: if the output from your hobby is even a fraction as important as Jason's, I'll gladly contribute. Sign up for a Kickstarter account and show us what it is you do.
I'll bet you don't contribute much, though.
Niklas on November 6, 2009 5:35 AMContributing ... :)
Google has a lot of the web archived, but for you youngsters, there is a TON of information that isn't on the web. (I know, hard to believe).
Doug on November 6, 2009 8:28 AMDid anyone notice our beloved Raymond Chen made an appearance in one of those files?
http://www.textfiles.com/programming/tricks.pro
Oorang on November 6, 2009 9:27 AMwish netflix had the BBS Documentary. I'd like to see it... but not so bad I'd drop $40 on it
David J on November 6, 2009 11:00 AMI think digital history is preserved in Google cache...
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Its been a long time since I spent any time at textfiles.com, thanks for the reminder. My first _real_ experience with C was kicked off after receiving the source code to the WWiV BBS system. What they didn't tell you was the code was recently (automatically) converted from Pascal. I picked up so many bad habits trying to hack more and more cool features into my BBS. Its what started me out as a programmer.
I eventually went multi line with something else .. for a couple of years I was doing really well, especially for a teenage kid. Then AOL came along and ruined the entire world.
I can't believe that was 20 years ago.
Believe it or not, Telnet BBS systems still have a community around them. Check out vert.synchro.net for a little nostalgia.
It's always a shame to see something lost because a server goes offline and the Wayback machine has missed it, or has only got part of the site. I've been trying to archive everything on certain subjects, but I can only do so much :-(
John | Retro Programming on November 7, 2009 11:18 AMThis thing kinda weirds me out a bit. People are going to be able to see how horrible I used to code. LOL.
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Kent on November 8, 2009 2:11 AMyea
dfo gold on November 8, 2009 7:32 AM
I know this person
I heard Jason Scott speak earlier this year at KansasFest (http://www.kansasfest.org/), and he's an amazing speaker filled with fascinating stories about technology and people. He opened my eyes to how quickly and easily we forget our history.
Peter on November 9, 2009 6:35 AMI cannot agree more, actually I wrote a similar post weeks ago
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We need to make a move to bring back Ansi Graphics and Door Games! Many nights did I sit up trying to get my Ansi to animate when a user logged on my BBS.
Fantasy Uprising (1992 - 1995)
Conservative Hippie (1995 - 1998)
Bootstrap
Step 1.
Throw the front panel switches, about 100 of them in sequence to perform IPL for bootstrap loader.
Step 2.
Insert punched tape into punched tape reader.
Hit Go button.
let reader read about 20 feet of 1/2" wide punched taped.
Got a green light?
Yes, Hit go button to IPL from disk.
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Ah... those were the good ole days...
Mac on November 11, 2009 11:05 AMOMFG FLASHBACK
ZORK was the greatest game ever!!!!
the getlamp.com link blew my mind Jeff god damn
Mike on November 11, 2009 12:31 PMThis seems to me to be an extension of something like the web archive project, but I suppose this has some real thinking behind it - not just archiving a bit of everything, but saving the important bits for historical purposes. A nice idea, but I won't be donating as I think there are easier ways of doing it - maybe google will introduce such an archive in the future?
siphone on November 15, 2009 7:54 AMthat pictures freakin awesome.
Sean on November 16, 2009 8:17 AMHistory is an important thing, even if it's seems useless for most.
That funny someone quoted archive.org link. Once we used it to show our customer how ugly their website was before we handle it.
It actually helped us refreshing his memory and calm it down while he was shouting us about the artistic direction took (which he has previously validated of course...)
I personnly keep some old machines in my parents house, a 1990 Apple Macintosh, 1984 Amstrad CPC464, some old PCs too.... I will probably never power them on again, but I'm pretty sure my future kids will look at it sayig "wow ! how an hawful period it was ", has we propably sais about typewriters and various machines from the pre-computer era :D
how time fly,what can we do.
rigging hardware on November 24, 2009 12:54 PMTalking about the 1980's as "pre-history" is a gross exaggeration, even on the timescale of computer technology. BBS's don't even qualify as being particularly ancient technology, let alone pre-historic. The internet (ARPANET/MILNET) was invented in the late 1960's, and twenty years earlier there were computers made of relays and vacuum tubes. The Turing Test dates to 1950. Maybe Charles Babbage would qualify as computer pre-history.
Yoda on November 28, 2009 10:54 AMThis seems like a great project. I began surfing the web around the early 2000... when ICQ and Geocities ruled the Internet (well, maybe not ruled.. but you get the point). And now it seems ages ago, but I know that was just the beggining of the web as we know it. Who didn't have a Geocities website backt then? Nice post Jeff!
Jason on February 6, 2010 11:22 PMJeff, thanks so much for this. You've brought many people to my kickstarter page and given the endeavor a real boost.
I'll write a few weblog entries at http://ascii.textfiles.com which will explain my thoughts behind this project why I decided to go about things this way.
And thanks to everyone who is showing up and pledging. You've really made a difference in my life.
Jason Scott on February 6, 2010 11:22 PMI heard Jason Scott speak earlier this year at KansasFest (http://www.kansasfest.org/), and he's an amazing speaker filled with fascinating stories about technology and people. He opened my eyes to how quickly and easily we forget our history.
aion items on February 6, 2010 11:22 PMe opened my eyes to how quickly and easily we forget our history
aion items on February 6, 2010 11:22 PMInternet can preserved histories, just google anything you weren't sure of and you will gladly found the answer
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