YouTube vs. Fair Use

September 17, 2010

In YouTube: The Big Copyright Lie, I described my love-hate relationship with YouTube, at least as it existed in way back in the dark ages of 2007.

Now think back through all the videos you've watched on YouTube. How many of them contained any original content?

It's perhaps the ultimate case of cognitive dissonance: by YouTube's own rules [which prohibit copyrighted content], YouTube cannot exist. And yet it does.

How do we reconcile YouTube's official hard-line position on copyright with the reality that 90% of the content on their site is clearly copyrighted and clearly used without permission? It seems YouTube has an awfully convenient "don't ask, don't tell" policy-- they make no effort to verify that the uploaded content is either original content or fair use. The copyrighted content stays up until the copyright owner complains. Then, and only then, is it removed.

Today's lesson, then, is be careful what you ask for.

At the time, I just assumed that YouTube would never be able to resolve this problem through technology. The idea that you could somehow fingerprint every user-created uploaded video against every piece of copyrighted video ever created was so laughable to me that I wrote it off as impossible.

A few days ago I uploaded a small clip from the movie Better Off Dead to YouTube, in order to use it in the Go That Way, Really Fast blog entry. This is quintessential fair use: a tiny excerpt of the movie, presented in the context of a larger blog entry. So far, so good.

But then I uploaded a small clip from a different movie that I'm planning to use in another, future blog entry. Within an hour of uploading it, I received this email:

Dear {username},

Your video, {title}, may have content that is owned or licensed by {company}.

No action is required on your part; however, if you are interested in learning how this affects your video, please visit the Content ID Matches section of your account for more information.

Sincerely,
- The YouTube Team

This 90 second clip is from a recent movie. Not a hugely popular movie, mind you, but a movie you've probably heard of. This email both fascinated and horrified me. How did they match a random, weirdly cropped (thanks, Windows Movie Maker) clip from the middle of a non-blockbuster movie within an hour of me uploading it? This had to be some kind of automated process that checks uploaded user content against every piece of copyrighted content ever created (or the top n subset thereof), exactly the kind that I thought was impossible.

Uh oh.

I began to do some research. I quickly found Fun with YouTube's Audio Content ID System, which doesn't cover video, but it's definitely related:

I was caught by surprise one day when I received an automated email from YouTube informing me that my video had a music rights issue and it was removed from the site. I didn't really care.

Then a car commercial parody I made (arguably one of my better videos) was taken down because I used an unlicensed song. That pissed me off. I couldn't easily go back and re-edit the video to remove the song, as the source media had long since been archived in a shoebox somewhere. And I couldn't simply re-upload the video, as it got identified and taken down every time. I needed to find a way to outsmart the fingerprinter. I was angry and I had a lot of free time. Not a good combination.

I racked my brain trying to think of every possible audio manipulation that might get by the fingerprinter. I came up with an almost-scientific method for testing each modification, and I got to work.

Further research led me to this brief TED talk, How YouTube Thinks About Copyright.

We compare each upload against all the reference files in our database. This heat map is going to show you how the brain of this system works.

Here we can see the reference file being compared to the user generated content. The system compares every moment of one to the other to see if there's a match. This means we can identify a match even if the copy uses just a portion of the original file, plays it in slow motion, and has degraded audio or video.

The scale and speed of this system is truly breathtaking -- we're not just talking about a few videos, we're talking about over 100 years of video every day between new uploads and the legacy scans we regularly do across all of the content on the site. And when we compare those 100 years of video, we're comparing it against millions of reference files in our database. It'd be like 36,000 people staring at 36,000 monitors each and every day without as much as a coffee break.

I have to admit that I'm astounded by the scope, scale, and sheer effectiveness of YouTube's new copyright detection system that I thought was impossible! Seriously, watch the TED talk. It's not long. The more I researched YouTube's video identification tool, the more I realized that resistance is futile. It's so good that the only way to defeat it is by degrading your audio and video so much that you have effectively ruined it. And when it comes to copyright violations, if you can achieve mutually assured destruction, then you have won. Absolutely and unconditionally.

This is an outcome so incredible I am still having trouble believing it. But I have the automatically blocked uploads to prove it.

Now, I am in no way proposing that copyright is something we should be trying to defeat or work around. I suppose I was just used to the laissez faire status quo on YouTube, and the idea of a video copyright detection system this effective was completely beyond the pale. My hat is off to the engineers at Google who came up with this system. They aren't the bad guys here; they offer some rather sane alternatives when copyright matches are found:

If Content ID identifies a match between a user upload and material in the reference library, it applies the usage policy designated by the content owner. The usage policy tells the system what to do with the video. Matches can be to only the audio portion of an upload, the video portion only, or both.

There are three usage policies -- Block, Track or Monetize. If a rights owner specifies a Block policy, the video will not be viewable on YouTube. If the rights owner specifies a Track policy, the video will continue to be made available on YouTube and the rights owner will receive information about the video, such as how many views it receives. For a Monetize policy, the video will continue to be available on YouTube and ads will appear in conjunction with the video. The policies can be region-specific, so a content owner can allow a particular piece of material in one country and block the material in another.

The particular content provider whose copyright I matched chose the draconian block policy. That's certainly not Google's fault, but I guess you could say I'm Feeling Unlucky.

Although the 90 second clip I uploaded is clearly copyrighted content -- I would never dispute that -- my intent is not to facilitate illegal use, but to "quote" the movie scene as part of a larger blog entry. YouTube does provide recourse for uploaders; they make it easy to file a dispute once the content is flagged as copyrighted. So I dutifully filled out the dispute form, indicating that I felt I had a reasonable claim of fair use.

Youtube-fair-use-dispute

Unfortunately, my fair use claim was denied without explanation by the copyright holder.

Let's consider the four guidelines for fair use I outlined in my original 2007 blog entry:

  1. Is the use transformative?
  2. Is the source material intended for the public good?
  3. How much was taken?
  4. What's the market effect?

While we're clear on 3 and 4, items 1 and 2 are hazy in a mashup. This would definitely be transformative, and I like to think that I'm writing for the erudition of myself and others, not merely to entertain people. I uploaded with the intent of the video being viewed through a blog entry, with YouTube as the content host only. But it was still 90 seconds of the movie viewable on YouTube by anyone, context free.

So I'm torn.

On one hand, this is an insanely impressive technological coup. The idea that YouTube can (with the assistance of the copyright holders) really validate every minute of uploaded video against every minute of every major copyrighted work is unfathomable to me. When YouTube promised to do this to placate copyright owners, I was sure they were delaying for time. But much to my fair-use-loving dismay, they've actually gone and built the damn thing -- and it works.

Just, maybe, it works a little too well. I'm still looking for video sharing services that offer some kind of fair use protection.

Posted by Jeff Atwood
78 Comments

Hm. I might have to go with youtube on this one.

In the context of your blog post, yes, fair use. It's a small clip out of an editorial.

In the context of *youtube* -- which is the context you were uploading the clip to, after all -- it's just a 90 second clip from their movie. No editorial, it's the entire thing. Someone browsing youtube who finds it will have no idea that there was a blog connected to it.

For Fair Use protection, you'd have to make a video of someone reading your blog post, with the movie at the appropriate time.

Trevel on September 17, 2010 10:56 AM

The video matching is just an extension of audio matching, as perfected by Shazam, who sold the patent to BMI (RAII fame).

There was someone who implemented it recently and got a cease and desist; its a good story and a wow tech: http://www.redcode.nl/blog/2010/06/creating-shazam-in-java/

Will Varfar on September 17, 2010 11:04 AM

Part of the problem, of course, is that the copyright industry wishes to erode fair use. In a world where fair use was actually properly legislated, DVDs would have been required to have a quoting back door to the copy protection. Instead the presumption is of copyright violation, and fair use must be fought for every single time.

Duncan Ellis on September 17, 2010 11:09 AM

Legalities aside, I believe the copyright holders are repeating the mistakes made by the music industry when dealing with Napster.

By focusing on restricting access to content rather than propagation of it, they might make a few extra bucks here and there but overall they are leaving money on the table.

Had they embraced Napster and turned it into the equivalent of Amazon MP3s, they would have made unimaginable amounts of money in $1 song downloads. Yes, there would still have been unauthorized sharing, but a lot of people, myself included, would rather pay the $1 for a safe and unencumbered download than deal with all the hassles of trying to get a song for free.

One of my videos <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiFxkpQBsEk> was similarly tagged as well which astonished me as the song is in the background coming over tinny speakers and the audio was converted to lowest quality mono possible to reduce file size.

The technological feat is definitely impressive and beyond my ability to imagine. The direction we are headed is a lose-lose in the long run for everyone.

Sinan Unur on September 17, 2010 11:15 AM

"Unfortunately, my fair use claim was denied without explanation by the copyright holder."

What part of copyright law gives copyright holders the right to determine if uses are fair? None I know of. Of course, that's a large part of the point; if copyright holders controlled fair use, we'd never see critical reviews, parody, satire, etc.

If only YouTube would invest as much R&D funding in eliminating stupid comments.

Bradley Dilger on September 17, 2010 11:15 AM

There are several football clips which image is mirrored, and then uploaded, to fool the algorythm.

Rafa Font on September 17, 2010 11:17 AM

The problem here is context. You can't just use copyrighted material in articles like this -- no matter how short -- unless you are commenting on the copyrighted material itself. (Or parodying, but that wouldn't apply here.)

If your blog entry was a review of Better Off Dead, you could invoke Fair Use and use excerpts from the film -- provided your original contribution to the article was substantially greater than the amount contributed by the work you excerpted. (For example, your review was 90% original material by you, and only 10% clips from the movie.) But if you're just using the clip to make a point about something else, that usage is subject to copyright law, and it's not allowed without an agreement between you and the copyright holder.

Along those same lines, every time you see a cartoon inserted into a Powerpoint presentation, that kind of thing is subject to copyright. Artists often don't receive compensation for it, but they're still entitled to copyright for the use of their work. Fair Use is not just something you can claim because you only infringed on copyright a little bit.

I know people feel very passionately about this subject, but this is the way the law works, no matter how many people misunderstand or disregard it.

Matt on September 17, 2010 11:30 AM

I believe the problem is the length of your clip. 90 seconds is a long time in terms of both new media such as viral clips and the land of the animated gif as well but surprisingly also in traditional media where TV news segments are only 1 minute 10 seconds long.

I've been trying to explain this to content promoters for a while, if the news can sum up a story in 70 seconds, why do you think you need 300?

Christopher Lamothe on September 17, 2010 11:59 AM

"The idea that YouTube can (with the assistance of the copyright holders) really validate every minute of uploaded video against every minute of every major copyrighted work is unfathomable to me."

Close, but not really. YouTube matches uploads against fingerprint files uploaded to (or generated from video files uploaded to) YouTube. Not all copyrighted content, just content uploaded to YouTube by a YouTube content provider.

Mhenstell on September 17, 2010 12:03 PM

I have to say, I love the bit where they get you to type in the good faith paragraph.

Cannontrodder on September 17, 2010 12:11 PM

Well, to play the devils advocate:

How can anybody [youtube|copyright holder, etc] determine between what is Fair Use and what is one in a string of sixty 90-second clips that in total constitute the entirety* of a 1h30min movie disguised as fair use? Your 90-second clip is uploaded without context (ie. it's uploaded without reference to your blog, which is what really constitutes the Fair Use).

And as other mentioned, it's only the clips that have been added by copyright holders that are protected (so it's not matching against infinity, but only those that wish to seek protection).

*These clips exists in YouTube by the bucket, movies, tv-shows, you name it.

andy on September 17, 2010 12:24 PM

Jeff you have your own server, why do you need someone else to host the video for you?

Miguel Vargas on September 17, 2010 12:32 PM

Interesting article and amazing technology.

Forgive me if I don't understand all the subtleties of the situation, but what is stopping you from hosting the clip yourself and serving it from your blog?

Stephen Galliver on September 17, 2010 12:42 PM

The underlying technology of Content ID is from a company called Audible Magic http://audiblemagic.com/

Ejunker on September 17, 2010 12:53 PM

So the solution to the legal conflict is that you, the user, are guilty until you can prove or plead your innocence. And the plaintiff gets to play the judge?

Your situation is probably covered by fair use and your free speech rights are being abused by a copyright holder. The only person who should ever be allowed to decide if it is fair use is a judge in a court room, not the person who doesn't want you to use their content.

Jsl4980 on September 17, 2010 12:55 PM

I talked about this in 2007 on my site:

http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/09/04/why-fair-use-suffers-on-youtube/

The problem with fair use and YouTube is, as at least one commenter above pointed out, that something that is a fair use on your site, after you embed it, may not be on YouTube's site.

However, I have to agree with others here, the copyright holder shouldn't get to decide what is and is not a fair use. I agree YouTube had cause to block the video but, after you made a fair use claim I think it should have been on the copyright holder to either file a proper DMCA notice or take the matter into court.

As it sits right now, rightsholders can rely on the content ID system to shut down fair uses of their work and not expose themselves as they would with a DMCA notice. I'm very impressed with the YouTube system and how they favor creator choice, but there does need to be some balance.

Plagiarismtoday on September 17, 2010 12:59 PM

Actually YT allows hiding movies from public list, so the content wouldn't be shared context free. It would be only available to people, who you want to share it with. But does it change anything for Youtube?

Btw, I'm surprised with your being surprised, as Sony Ericsson has been including their TrackID app for few good years now. Surely same process applied to video is far more complex, but let's not compare Gracenote (acquired by Sony) with Youtube.

Jakubmal on September 17, 2010 1:09 PM

An interesting side note: I received a Content ID Match warning about a clip I uploaded from a very obscure 1990 episode of Saturday Night Live that's never been online in any form -- ripped, by me, from a VHS recording. This episode simply didn't exist online.

This means that media companies are not only sending YouTube reference files for current released work, but also massive archives of legacy video they've digitized, but never released online. I want to see those archives!

Andy Baio on September 17, 2010 1:17 PM

Wow, I can't believe they can actually do that, from a technical standpoint. And from a "I can't believe people are so STUPID" standpoint, the German courts just ruled what against YouTube?!?

Keith Grant on September 17, 2010 1:26 PM

Fair use is effectively dead unless you either have loads of cash or have a large portfolio of copyrighted works to trade with.

The way this has played out copyright holders are basically free to decide in what context they want their works to be used.

Asgeir Storesund Nilsen on September 17, 2010 2:09 PM

Firstly, it's not (quite) the copyright holder deciding what's fair use or not. In this case it is YouTube and it is perfectly reasonable for them to 'be on the safe side'.

As Miguel said, the easiest thing to do is host the video elsewhere, even on an Amazon S3 cloud if you don't have your own host. The difference is that you actually have to pay for it (and there's a track-back to you, or at least your credit card, if the copyright holder wants to take action).

Gary Myers on September 17, 2010 2:39 PM

Google is using digital and analog fingerprinting technology for both audio and video contents. Audio is easier, but video is doable as well. It's a large work, but Google wants to do it anyways, they are digitizing every single movie, tv show, even every single second of every single TV channel ever broadcast. They gather all DVDs released, even capture from VHS and stuff like that. Eventually, Google could release ALL OF IT onto Youtube and Google TV, provided that Google sorts out the copyright laws or copyright licencing systems.

Youtube would like all copyright holders to want to allow display of all these videos and simply monetize the views with overlay ads. Youtube is working hard to show to copyright holders that they gain more from allowing unlimited use on Youtube of their contents, even to officially release all the movies, tv shows and more onto Youtube and just monetize it.

Colbert and John Stewart wouldn't be so popular today if it wasn't for Youtube making them extremely popular in 2006-2007 and Viacom has been loosing out on possibly hundreds of millions of dollars in overlay advertising these past 3 years by not allowing Youtube to feature all of the episodes and clips from these shows.

Charbax on September 17, 2010 2:40 PM

What if someone were to create a video sharing website that required users to accept a ToS every time they uploaded a video that contracted the legal burden of copyrights entirely onto the uploader rather than the host.

Alec Rodden on September 17, 2010 2:50 PM

You know the content in Public Domain has actually *decreased* in the last few decades? It's appalling.

But there are some who put such content matching technologies to Good Use.
The fine people at MusicBrainz have a software (Picard), which creates a fingerprint of a music file and then checks it against an online database to identify the metadata.

It works fairly well even with poor quality MP3 files, but the DB doesn't seem very complete.

IceBrain on September 17, 2010 3:31 PM

Happened to me, too. Except that the clip in question was a parody containing a few short segments from various movies -- a clear case of fair use. But there wasn't much I could do since they didn't identify the content I was supposedly infringing upon (as required be the DMCA Safe Harbor provisions), and I didn't want to lawyer up...

Eric Jain on September 17, 2010 3:57 PM

Scott Smitelli here, the author or "Fun with YouTube's Audio Content ID System." There are a few interesting points worth mentioning about YouTube's implementation. Granted, some of these things may have changed (the original research is a year and a half old at this point) but these facts held true at one point.

First, I discovered that by disputing a copyright claim, your video immediately becomes unblocked/unmuted/un-whatever'd until the owner of the material weighs in. In my case, I uploaded a full, unmodified copy of Stairway to Heaven, which was naturally blocked as matching content from WMG, I believe. I disputed the claim over a year ago, and to this day it is still awaiting a response from the rights holder. My guess is that some of these larger media behemoths have a huge backlog of disputes that they never get through.

Secondly, the audio and video detectors seem to work independently. I learned firsthand from a YouTube employee that the audio matching is performed by a system created by Audible Magic, whereas the video matching was built in-house by Google. It's difficult to determine which system is actually doing the match for movies and TV shows.

Assuming your content is being matched by the video portion of the detector, it was at one point possible to thwart the system by flipping the video horizontally -- such that text is mirror-imaged and people seem to drive their cars on the wrong side of the road. The YouTube employee I spoke with acknowledged that fact, and said that the rights holders had expressed concern about the loophole. Ultimately, the rationale was that it took too much effort for most users to modify videos in that way, and that "nobody wanted to watch a video that had been flipped," so the weakness stayed. You could also invert all the colors to get past the system. It looked pretty godawful, but a quick Control+Command+Option+8 on a Mac would invert the screen and make the video colors normal, albeit slightly darker than you would expect.

Whether those tricks still work today, I'm not sure. But that is the way it once was. It's tough to do any real substantive research on YouTube's guts, because they're so opaque about announcing changes to the system (and understandably so).

Audible Magic has some patents that are viewable at http://audiblemagic.com/company/patents.asp -- which give just enough insight into how the system works overall while simultaneously omitting most of the critical information you would need to really dig into it. For a more complete sense on how a competing system works, check out this paper explaining how Shazam works: http://www.ee.columbia.edu/~dpwe/papers/Wang03-shazam.pdf

I'd love to share everything I've learned with anybody who was interested. I'm parallax AT csh DOT rit DOT edu. I'm no expert by any means, but I do have a passion for this kind of thing. I try not to have any overt opinions on the state of copyright in this country, and I have nothing against fingerprinting software in general. It's a tool which is neither good nor evil. It's all in how you choose to use it.

Smitelli on September 17, 2010 4:01 PM

I was unable to upload my wedding video to You Tube. It contained Beethoven's 9th symphony. Ironically, we choose this piece from a list of material provided by the hotel (Las Vegas) that was not copyright protected. I submitted a dispute with You Tube, but it was rejected. Since I was unable to use You Tube to share this video with family and friends, I have since become embittered with You Tube and do not have much faith other similar services. It seems the root of the problem is deeper than these sites are willing to address.

Kevin Richard on September 17, 2010 4:21 PM

I think this is really inspiring.
It's finally a way for people who worked hard to create content to benefit from and protect their hard work.

American Copyright was created by the framers of the American Constitution to protect the works of American authors and artists.

You have to remember that not huge companies that Copyright helps, it's the creators and authors.

Asperous on September 17, 2010 4:35 PM

Just five words:

THEY WANT THEIR TWO DOLLARS!!

Joel Coehoorn on September 17, 2010 8:37 PM

@Asperous - that's bologna. If you're a big act, the labels, studios, or shareholders are taking more of the pie than you are. If you're a small act, you NEED to worry more about obscurity than piracy - giving away your product will make you more money by growing your fan base.

And your history is wrong as well. American Copyright was _allowed_, after much debate, by the framers of the Constitution _as a way to increase the public domain_.

Joel Coehoorn on September 17, 2010 8:41 PM

There is a way to beat YouTube's content system... though it really depends on the policies set into place by the copyright holder. If they block based only on the audio match, you're screwed, but most movie/tv media doesn't.
Flip the video and typically you are good to go.
Simple flip script and people can enjoy it normally... yes, it's that simple to bypass.
It's still very impressive and I wouldn't be surprised if they fixed that flip trick soon enough.

@Kevin Richard: The heck? No one holds the copyright on that. It's expired, dated, gone, free for all use by whoever wants it.
YouTube messed up or some douchey company laid a false claim.

MayhemMatthew on September 17, 2010 9:54 PM

I get it, I get it, artists need to protect their work, etc.

I live in eastern europe and I needed to personally speak to two artists that I like in order to get some of their music. For stupid legal reasons, Amazon MP3 and iTunes can't work here yet. I'd freaking love to have Hulu or at least to be able to watch the new video from some popular artist on YouTube but no, they restrict it only to the US or wherever.

So for popular artists and TV shows, I can either order expensive shows in dvd format online (with large shipping costs), or use bittorrent. For minor content makers that are not popular on trackers I have to personally ask them to send me copies.

Zephyr14 on September 17, 2010 10:49 PM

@MayhemMatthew - Even though the score of the 9th symphony is long out of copyright, recordings of individual performances are still subject to copyright. So unless the hotel hired their own orchestra and chorus to perform the piece (and then released the performance into the public domain), it is still likely subject to someone's copyright, which is probably what happened here.

David Wallace on September 18, 2010 12:23 AM

It's not as if Youtube is your only option. Just host the video elsewhere, possibly on your own site. Use html5 <video> tags to embed it. If you ever get a copyrights claim you will be able to properly defend yourself the way you should.

Ivo Van der Wijk on September 18, 2010 12:47 AM

Some time ago I wrote a blog post about this matter.
It's interesting that the Italian Authority for artistic intellectual property (SIAE) reached a deal for sharing part of the revenues coming from copyrighted contents with artists, making it more affordable for them to give free uploadability on YouTube.

I think this idea is great.
Here is my blog post: http://www.iubenda.com/blog/2010/07/29/youtube-copyright-and-italian-authority-siae/

Andrea Giannangelo

Facens on September 18, 2010 1:24 AM

Dont use youtube. Who does anyway?

Next your gonna tell me how great netflix is...right??

Rendion on September 18, 2010 7:54 AM

This isn't a comment that's contributing any new knowledge or insight, haha. Just wanted to say that this was a really interesting blog post.

Bonkahs on September 18, 2010 5:45 PM

This is a pretty cool stuff. Google at their best. The negative part of this is that one can block a video even if he is NOT the content owner.

Filing against the copyright claim actually enables the video content again.

If the video strengthens your competitor, you block it !
It's unethical and indeed a sucking strategy :(

Viki-the-techie.blogspot.com on September 18, 2010 11:56 PM

The problem I have with YouTube here is that their behaviour reinforces the notion that copyright is always held by large media companies, and infringed by individuals. To be fair to them, this is far and away the biggest use case on their service. But--as your experience shows--the dice are loaded to favour this balance. As an individual, Google makes it hard for you to appeal their decisions; and they also make it hard for individuals to stake their own copyright claims.

YouTube may be a popular tool, but the further Google goes down this path, the less populist it becomes. As an individual, you have to remember that you are not their customer, and that your rights are subordinate to the entities that are.

Martin on September 19, 2010 5:12 AM

@David Wallace

You are absolutely correct. You Tube thought the music was from an individual recording which it specified. However, after I listened to that recording, which I found on You Tube, it was obviously not a direct match. The list of available music provided by the hotel was all public domain.

The worst aspect of this was the dispute process. It seems all the other failings were at least reasonably founded.

Kevin Richard on September 19, 2010 9:10 AM

You may not have a problem with copyright law - but it is a problem, its amoral and wrong and will need to be severely changed, or perhaps even abolished ("How do we make sick amounts of insane money then?" "Get a job")

Meanwhile, someone will invent a system to encrypt video, so as to hide it from big brothers scanners.

dwhat on September 19, 2010 4:31 PM

Jeff, they talked about your post on the TWIT podcast this week.

Timothy on September 19, 2010 4:33 PM

I see the internet as a dark place when the media groups jump in the wagon and start making all the same mistakes I've seen made on television. First things first, the world is global. Internet is global. Content should not be copyright-hold on a country basis.

Europe has been importing Hollywood latests videos and shows 6 to 12 month latter with the sole premise of seeing if it's a hit in the US. If it's a success the show is gonna cost more. Thats hit. Solo. Well, this sure set up a fast lane for piracy.

I do get crossed when I see a YouTube video with the nagging "video not available in your country". There is absolutely no excuse for a global media corporation, these days, to exclude a video from a certain audience based on geographical criteria (wars and other bans aside).

YouTube sure is going fast in one direction. I just don't know if I like the direction that much. I do understand the issue of copyright but don't forget the Viacom issue where the copy-holder is both depending on YouTube (by leaking copyright videos) and then suing the very own videos that had been leaked...

Frankie on September 20, 2010 6:25 AM

Is there a reason, other than maybe bandwidth, that you wouldn't be able to host the short video clip on your own server? Or is the issue simply bandwidth?

Bill Boxall on September 20, 2010 7:10 AM

Well on one side I am worried that this will be applied to political speech or other "public figure embarassements". Just file for copyright infringement and snap! Your video of the Prime Minister insulting [women|immigrants|judges] might be taken down (I'm not talking about civilized countries here, but places like this: http://journal.dedasys.com/2010/02/24/google-execs-convicted ).

On the other hand, do you think this would give a huge boost to research towards sub-optimal voice and "conversation topic" recognition?

For example, suppose you record your lecturer talking about Hegel. You upload the video to youtube and it gets "recognized" by matching speech to their library. It can be tagged automatically, etc. Furthermore, the other parts of the conversation can become a new baseline to match philosophy videos, and hence grow a "semantic" base. That would be even a nicer feat.

Lorenzo G. on September 20, 2010 8:30 AM

Digital video watermarking has been around for a long time. I would imagine that most digital video is now watermarked. If so, Youtube probably just detected the presence of a watermark, and determined that the video was not user generated. Youtube could check for the presence of a watermark using only a couple of frames of video.

Have a look at this article talking about video watermarking:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/researchDevelopment/productFeatures/cinema.shtml

Kodak is currently the only company to publicly announce and demonstrate (at ShoWest in March 2001) that its watermarking technique can hold up in real-world testing; that is, the watermark can survive the actual process of capturing a projected movie with a camcorder. Moreover, the amplitude of the Kodak watermark is such that it is invisible to the viewer in the theater, thus maintaining the image quality that is such an important part of the movie-going experience. In the ShoWest demo, 16 bits of information were embedded in each frame of the movie, and it took less than 15 frames (0.5 sec) of captured video to extract the 16 bits with 100% reliability. Often, the watermark was successfully extracted using fewer than 15 frames, sometimes only one or two frames.

Siwinski on September 20, 2010 11:14 AM

So why post to YouTube? Try archive.org (please!). :)

apperceptions on September 20, 2010 3:23 PM

Hey Jeff, interesting article. I do not know how youtube specifically does this, but a standard technique for this sort of thing is to treat points in the video/audio sample as points in a several-hundred-dimension vector space. You then need a way to rapidly identify when any sample point is close to any of the millions of data points in that vector space. The search algorithm needs to be optimized for rapidly finding matches without computing the distance metric millions or billions of times, particularly since the query is likely to be "junk", ie, no match. If you or your readers are interested in a gentle introduction to some of the math involved in this kind of search, I did a series of blog entries on it a few years ago. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/archive/tags/high+dimensional+spaces/ Or, see the paper I based this series on for a less gentle introduction: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/jplatt/bitVectors.pdf

Eric-lippert on September 20, 2010 4:05 PM

Copyright law, and by extension fair use protection only applies when you're up in court accused of copyright violation. It can't be used to force Youtube to host a clip for you.

You are free to host the clip on your own website if you like, but then you do run the risk of the copyright holder suing you for copyright violation (if they found out that you'd done so).

Even then you can then choose to ignore any "cease and desist" letters you receive if you like, and rely on the copyright holder either not pursuing the case because the damages are likely to be minimal, or following that you can hope that your "fair use" defense wins in court.

Even if your "fair use" argument looks rock-solid you could still, however, lose (contrariwise even if your argument was feeble you might, with good lawyers and through a technicality, win).

Human laws are radically different beasts to the natural laws of physics, relying as they do on the subjective judgment of people, even though as engineers we like to think that they are both kind of the same. And of course our criminal and civil laws actively need to be applied (as opposed to say, the second law of thermodynamics: the entropy of closed systems never decreases, regardless of whether anyone is actually paying attention to the system in question or serving it with injunctions.)

Keirf on September 21, 2010 2:56 AM

I think the solution here is for Youtube to allow linking to video exerts on the original copyrighted upload. IE being able to link to 2:35 - 8:56 on the original clip.

Craige on September 21, 2010 6:23 AM

Maybe you could use DropBox for hosting the files? Not sure what DropBox ToS says about that

Oh, just in case :) http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTM4MTg1MzI5

LXj on September 21, 2010 4:28 PM

I'm with the dozens of people who ask, "Why does the content owner get to decide if your use is 'fair use,'" You are the one at risk if your use isn't deemed fair use, so if you are comfortable that you could prove fair use if you needed to that should end it. I would think YouTube would have discharged any obligation it had when it informed you its automated system thought the clip might be a violation.

Spookiewon on September 21, 2010 7:43 PM

I can't help but see the irony of this....

Joel and yourself are doing your best to monitise the content of SO for your own good, and yet you are outraged when youtube blocks you from trying the same (in kind) with someone elses content.

LOL.

Jonathan Davies on September 22, 2010 5:42 AM

This is an interesting question. Since you suggested the clip usage would be fair use embedded on your blog, but not necessarily freely available on Youtube, did you try setting it to "private" on that site, but embedded on your blog? Is it even possible to embed a private video on another site?

TerrorBlack on September 22, 2010 8:38 AM

Interesting article. If interested, please see a related review I conducted: http://weiskopf-iplaw.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-offerings-from-google-make-you-say.html

David Weiskopf on September 22, 2010 11:36 AM

Honestly you should sue the copyright holder.

What you are doing is clear cut fair use. For the copyright holder to disregard your fair use dispute to their original automated DMCA taken down (which you then disputed through that form) they are in violation of the law.

People need to fight back against the content syndicates. It's absolutely imperative to defend our fair use rights. The DMCA is one of the worst laws passed regarding technology and the internet as a whole and it was bought and paid for the by the RIAA and MPAA. While I hope it gets overturned at some point in the future currently the only option to fight back is to use the letter of the law against the companies that wanted the law in the first place.

Dotnetchris.wordpress.com on September 22, 2010 3:27 PM

And the lesson is: don't use YouTube. Especially since they'll delete your COMPLETE account and give you no explanation or recourse.

Paketep on September 23, 2010 3:17 AM

Copyright is something we should be trying to defeat or work around.

Leo Zovic on September 23, 2010 6:09 AM

YouTube will need to soften this, lest they lose their place on the net. However I agree with Jeff that this isn't really their fault it's the copyright holders that don't realize the world is changing.


I miss the old fake Orange captcha.

Wayne Anthony on September 23, 2010 9:33 AM

Yes, in your case is indeed a case of fair usage. If you look it from the side of the original content owner, he might be getting request from all over the world both legitimate and ill legitimate. Why should he have someone to look into each request and enable them case by case basis?

Sarath Ramachandran on September 24, 2010 5:37 AM

I can think of a method that might be able to circumvent the detection but I like youtube so I'm not sure I would want people to be able to easily do this. Tell me what techniques you've tried and I'll tell you if it is the one I'm thinking of.

John Creighton on September 25, 2010 12:03 PM

"I believe the problem is the length of your clip. 90 seconds is a long time in terms of both new media such as viral clips and the land of the animated gif as well but surprisingly also in traditional media where TV news segments are only 1 minute 10 seconds long. "

Why should a 1 minute news clip get copyright protection. Is the commentary really so valuable and insightful to deserve protection? I don't believe their can be much substance given within 1 minute of news.

John Creighton on September 25, 2010 12:08 PM

Blocking content on a region based criteria sucks for everyone not living in the US. Why can you guys watch some video clips and we can't? We just have to download them illegally?

And the fingerprinting does have its use too. Take Last.fm. Every song I have in my library gets "scrobbled" after which its smart enough to identify the composer & song name. A great way to keep track of what you're playing. It was only a matter of time until this can be done for videos.

Carrandas on September 28, 2010 3:53 AM

I'm wondering what exactly you mean by saying your dispute was rejected. As far as I know, the only way a video can be taken down again after disputing the automated Content ID is by filing a DMCA notice, in which case there would be a strike against your account. In that case, you should be able to file DMCA counter-notice and get it restored. That might even work if there is no strike, though I'm not completely sure about that.

For anyone who wants to know more about fair use and copyright disputes on YouTube, I actually run a website providing tutorials about these issues: http://fairusetube.org

Patrick McKay on September 28, 2010 3:15 PM

So something will be done again. If you want to do justice have to try to track who uses your shots and you judge them. The Internet will not solve it. Plagiarism on the Internet is something so commonplace that I do not think we will manage to eradicate it. rca ieftin 2011

masini on October 6, 2010 7:53 AM

@Matt

Nobody's misinterpreting anything. Fair use does not--absolutely does not--require that you be commenting on the copyrighted work. Any more that a college student's paper needs the copyright owner's permission to quote from a book or article not on the topic of the quoted book or article.

As Cory Doctorow puts it: Computers are devices for copying bits and it's never going to get any easier to copy bits than it is now.

Treating your customers like thieves isn't likely to improve business, and file-sharers aren't affected by DRM. I pay top-dollar for the latest movie and I get a crippled movie; if I download a copy, gratis, with the assistance of The Pirate Bay or another torrent tracker I get a copy someone (probably a script kiddie somewhere) has helpfully stripped the DRM from. Clearly the entertainment industry hasn't thought this through well enough. I can, though I don't need to be able to, remove the DRM myself, but why do that to a paid copy when it's easier to just download it without the DRM for free. This question is not academic, since the DMCA makes it illegal to remove the DRM, ONLY thieves get unhampered copies. It's a great way to ensure that people who would otherwise pay figure they may as well steal it.

Patti Pender on October 13, 2010 7:12 PM

Clarke's three laws:

1# When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is probably wrong.
2# The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3# Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

Silvercode on October 16, 2010 6:37 AM

I like your writing and rational thinking a lot better than tabloid loving Mike Masick. The simple reason that your claim to fair use was denied is because you hosted the video on youtube. Raw without any critical review, parody etc. It wasn’t married to the content that would make it a fair use defense. What many people fail to realize is that fair use is a defense for accusations of infringement and not an offensive move or verb. You cannot “fair use” something (as waaay to many ignorant media producers claim to me all the time). Fair use is only a defense for alleged infringement. Regardless if the use fits the variables for fair use most major copyright controllers (see big music labels, publishers, movie studios) will at first claim infringement to try to scare everyone and then answer to the defense of “it falls under fair use” whether in real time or in the future in court (hopefully not).

It is not a good idea for the copyright holder to determine what is and isn’t fair use. However youtube is not a court of law and they give the copyright holder the option to respond to such claims so there is nothing illegal going on. I have little doubt that they do much more than deny most fair use defenses because most people won’t fight back even if their media does fall within the fair use variables. Many times the initial defense of fair use is just a letter written in response to a Cease & Desist letter and the copyright holder may back down and not seek further recourse. If they don’t back down, like in your youtube case, then it can be escalated to a lawsuit (you could file AGAINST as well them if you feel they have inhibited your rights under the fair use clause).

Copyright-lawyer on October 17, 2010 1:30 PM

I'm with Patti on this.

YouTube seem to be following Apple's way of thinking; "let's treat every user like a thief". By treating a user like a thief, we can protect our content and block any attempt at trying to do anything with that content. We'll also swing our big corporate weight around and scare and intimidate anyone wishing to do anything we don't like. We'll fill the content with DRM and platform-lock as needed. This makes us more money.

Well, they can continue to think that. But removing DRM and platform-locks is not rocket-science and there are plenty of like-minded people doing the same across the web (Pirate Bay et al). People will very quickly return to 'the good old days' of pirating (Napster 1999) if they can't distribute material they have paid for across devices they own. The corporates are desperate to return to the vinyl, tape, CD cycle of yester-year by device and platform-locking.

YouTube are following this 'corporate' mindset with their policy for copyright material and it can only add fuel to the 'pirate' fire...

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Zeynep Kaya on March 16, 2011 12:21 AM

Thanks (belatedly). Your post is one of the clearest I've read on this topic. I'm working on a presentation for budding young K-12 teachers, many of whom want to use YouTube and other Web 2.0+ in their classes. We're all trying to keep students engaged with media, use media when school networks aren't allowing full access, stay legal, etc. You will get a hat tip.

Catch-22 for me is: Now I want to run the TED talk on short notice, so my presentation shouldn't be uploaded or streamed! (though I'm sure I can get permission from them later)

Harmonygritz on March 18, 2011 6:31 AM

I've seem to have noticed some people just mirror the image when reuploading youtube video's that are already used on VEVO. It might cause the video to be undetected.

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Markmiller Mak on April 12, 2011 9:34 PM

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Silviu Gresoi on July 15, 2011 10:29 AM

Personally I am really ticked off because I am posting NON-Copyrighted material that is getting flagged. It's just me playing a song on my guitar...no drums, no vocals, no bass, no way in hell it should ever be considered copyrighted but they still want to block it. This is what happens when you give up human common sense that could see it's only 1 guy playing a guitar in favor of a flawed program that is given the power to decide if you are breaking the law.

How long before we move on to computerized judges with the power to put people to death in an attempt to speed up the court system? Scarey thought eh?

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