Thanks for the tip for Visual Studio. I recently experimentally switched to Firefox (I was using NetCaptor, one of the pioneer multi-browsers on the market that wraps IE) PRIMARILY because of the excellent search functionality. I didn't know this kind of "modeless" search had a name, but it is by far the coolest way to search.

Spot on post.

Of course, the default search mode in Emacs is incremental, and has been for some time :-)

This is a prime case of MS needing to re-visit existing MS user interface standards.

Mind you the MS office team seems to have taken a long hard look at tradtional office interface wisdom.
I hope the Vista core tools folks do the same.

For Visual Studio searching, I also like the mztools search (a 3rd party addin), which presents all the search results in a list (broken down by class and method). You can then clcik each one to go to that result in a code window.

Also has a Find Procedure Callers which does exactly what it says and is super useful.

Conventional search is handy when searching through multiple files; incremental search in VS.NET seems to be limited to the current file. Also, sometimes it is handy to see a complete list of all the matches, not just the first one, and in that case Visual Studio handles it just right: you get a list of all the matches and clicking on one jumps you to that match. But most apps do this brainlessly and just show you the first one and then you have to keep clicking ok to see the next ones.

For reasons unknown to me, my VS.net 2003 maps 'incremental search' to Ctrl+Alt+I, not Ctrl+I.

Also - little tip for ya - pressing Ctrl+Alt+Shift+I does a 'reverse incremental search' (or should that be a 'decremental search'? ;)

On the Firefox downside: the previous search facility could find text in textareas, the incremental search cannot. That's a major bummer when you edit wiki pages :/

Consider that the Firefox incremental search isn't even as feature complete as the age-old one in Emacs: when you enter the string in Emacs, not only do you see your current match, you see all other matches highlighted (in a different color) below and above as well.

This is often _very_ useful if it's a variable or somesuch, and you get a kind of a "preview" if the match wasn't exactly what you thought you looked for. Or if you're browsing a log file where all lines look the same.

And, here's another little UI gem from Emacs' incremental search: when you have started the search, press Alt-w to expand the search string to the current word. Alt-w again to expand the search to the next word, etc.

/J

The one complaint I have about Firefox's implementation of incremental search is that when I hit CTRL+F5 the first time, I didn't even notice it. I couldn't find the search because it's docked at the bottom in the same color as the status bar. Even now, I get confused as I switch between apps.

I'd prefer it to be on top and in a different color. Perhaps with an option to display a list of matches. But all modeless!

> the previous search facility could find text in textareas, the incremental search cannot. That's a major bummer when you edit wiki pages :/

Indeed, I've run into this as well when editing posts for this blog :P

> which presents all the search results in a list (broken down by class and method). You can then clcik each one to go to that result in a code window

Doesn't CTRL+SHIFT+F, then F8 already do this?

Johan,
Firefox will highlight other matching terms if you click the "highlight" button on the search toolbar. It highlights text in edit boxes, too, although the "next" and "previous" buttons won't select text in edit boxes.

For any Delphi users reading this, its incremental search command is Ctrl+E.

> I'd prefer it to be on top and in a different color.

Perhaps you want an IE style "yellow bar"?

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000019.html

The IE team gets no love for the one innovation they introduced that Firefox cloned almost instantly.

Interestingly, and typical of its heavyweight, 'belt-and-suspenders' design, the current version of Opera has both a dialog search and and incremental search toolbar. Unfortunately, the default binding for ctrl-F is for the dialog search, but the fact that it has the incremental search is quite appealling. Now if only the browser were more stable under heavy loads...

incrememental search has been around for a long time - I'm happy that it's finally found it's way into visual studio.

Vim users have been using it forever. I've been bitching about the standard ctrl+f 'find' dialog for two years - but no one has been willing to venture outside of their IDE for long enough to discover it.

the fact that (as Jef Raskin stated) so many "computer aficionados have become so accustomed to it that they no longer feel the pain" ... is, in my opinion, a contributing factor to the intellectual stalemate faced by the software industry.

oh my. this was built into Progress 4GL as long ago as 1989, when i first started using it.

try F3 !
it works in FF and even in Notepad...

Joseph Osako: Yes, but since opera isn't editor, you can search instantly by writing .the_word_im_searching_for - i doubt there is any of the applications I use left where I didnt try to use this :)

"Incremental search is so good that it makes traditional search dialogs completely obsolete."

Sometimes incremental search is NOT what you want. I find it incredibly bothersome when I'm searching for something that turns out to NOT be in the document, that incremental search leaves me at some random place in the document based on the last matching substring. If the search fails, you want your cursor location to be back where you started the search, not at some random place without a full match.

I like incremental search, but to say it makes normal searching completely obsolete is short-sighted.

"After you've worked with incremental search for a few hours, you'll probably wonder why incremental search isn't included as a standard feature in every single Windows application"

Try HandyFind (http://www.handykeys.com). It seemlessly provides incremental search on top of Notepad, Internet Explorer, Word, Excel, and more.

Unfortunately, the incremental search in VS does not do regular expressions (or, at least, I can't figure out how to make it do them), so we can't quite retire the dialog box yet.